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1695 Austrian Thaler

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 Posted 10/22/2018  6:35 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Archraz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi everyone,
I just picked up this rather nice 1695 Thaler. I purchased it from a very reputable dealer. It is KM# 1275.3. I think that it is a North American Very Fine + (But not quite Extra Fine). It's 46mm, 27 grams, sounds of silver, looks quite authentic on the obverse, and the edges look good.

And, honestly, I don't have any questions - I just wanted to show off my new Thaler.


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 Posted 10/22/2018  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BillSnyder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice! Thanks for showing!


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 Posted 10/22/2018  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ugly man on a lovely coin.

Not an uncommon combination.
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 Posted 10/22/2018  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
BillSnyder & tdziemia - Thanks!
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 Posted 10/23/2018  10:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cableguy815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nice coin; and your grade is spot on as well.

Coins from the 17th century are never something to sneer at :)
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 Posted 10/23/2018  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wcg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to agree with cableguy815 on both thoughts. At 46mm, its a nice hefty piece of 320+ year old history
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 Posted 10/24/2018  04:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinworldtv to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am sorry to be the party pooper again, but this coin does not seem legit to me.

Are you sure it is authentic?

Please do show some edge-pictures.
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 Posted 10/24/2018  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
coinworldtv- thanks for the input. But what in particular makes you suspect that this piece may be suspect? I'm just curious .
This coin is presently in my safe, but i'll b able to take some pics of the edges soon.
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Well, I hope you do not have too many of that source in your safe, but this coin is a joke.

This is one of the most copied thalers of Leopold I, with time you get a feeling for it.

Just look at the edges and compare with a real coin then you will know.

People often buy forgeries like that for half of the price of an authentic coin and live in a pink bubble until they realize that they have thrown money in the garbage bin.

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Judging by the pictures I'm leaning more on coinworldtv's opinion.The coin looks more like a Chinese/Russian fake !
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Mine is 28.65 grams, 46.5-46.7mm, same year. @Archraz, your coins is okay to me except the weight of the coin. The edge of this coin is plain so can it give any clues for the authenticity? I don't know.
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I am not convinced. I don't immediately see anything in the OP coin that screams FAKE. I agree this coin's weight is on the lower side but that could be just because of truncation. To compare, the below sample auctioned off at Sincona weighed 27.8g

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I don't see any problems to my coin. Please comment.

28.65gr, 46.5-46.7mm, somewhere bent in the central of the coin.

Plain edge


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OK, I just took some edge pics of my coin and re-weighed it on a more sensitive scale. It is actually 27.29g, and it shows characteristic bends from a coin struck on a roller press.

Here are the edge pics (pardon my fingers holding the coin):

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 Posted 10/25/2018  11:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am more confident it is genius.
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 Posted 10/26/2018  07:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinworldtv to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Archraz - This edge is WRONG, it is tooled.

What did you had in mind when you said "the edges look good"?

You probably have a copy!

You might want to reconsider also another of your statements: "...purchased it from a very reputable dealer".

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10/26/2018 07:43 am
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