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Is This Top Pop Variety Coin (Lwc) Misattributed?

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In researching info on a 1935-P 1¢ DDO I came across something quite disturbing. Check out the link below and look at the IGWT on the MS67 example and then compare it to the MS65 and MS64 examples on the same page. Am I just seeing things or are they not even close to being the same variety?

http://www.PCGScoinfacts.com/coin/detail/37744

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Your right. MS67 looks almost like it has no doubling. Almost. The MS64 and MS65 is clear. Odd.

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The MS67 looks to be DDO-005 and the other two are DDO-001 (FS-101).

http://www.varietyvista.com/01a%20L...O%201935.htm

It's only labeled as minor variety doubled die, not any specific one. Since it does state that it is any specific doubled die, they're not wrong in labelling it that.
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Here's a comparison of the MS67 & MS65....


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Quote:
It's only labeled as minor variety doubled die, not any specific one. Since it does state that it is any specific doubled die, they're not wrong in labelling it that.


Ummmmmm..........yes it is.



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I just noticed:

You're looking at the DDO page, not the FS-101 page. There's a difference! The DDO label is for ANY 1935 DDO including DDO-005 like I mentioned before (The MS67 is DDO-005).

DDO:
http://www.PCGScoinfacts.com/coin/detail/37744
FS-101:
http://www.PCGScoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/37747


Just saw your reply. yeah that's a mistake. I couldn't see it specifically labeled as a FS-101 on the page the link sent me to. I should have looked around more, my bad.
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Yeah, I just noticed the same thing. The same three coins are listed as minor varieties and then again specifically as 1935-P DDO-001's.
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The question I have though, is this really a $4250 coin?


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Anyways, here's what I've got....



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I'm not positive your coin is the DDO. The E of WE should show definite doubling and the date doubling is different. A pic of Trust would tell the tale.
Here is a couple pics of mine
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I did a side by side of the 5 in the date of my coin and the OP's.
The thickness of the top horizontals of the 5's shows hub doubling on the ddo-001 on the left and MD'ing of the OP's coin on the right.
Beautiful coin but not the doubled die.

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that your coin is not the DDO.
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Yeah, I figured as much.

Wow! @Stoneman227, you need to let the various attribution guides use your images for the 1935-P 1¢ FS-101 because you really captured the characteristics of a true doubled die with perfect light balance. Most of the guides pics portray a more shelf like MD appearance on the date.
Thanks everybody!

This thread just goes on to reiterate the old adage.....buy the coin, not the slab.
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As others have noted there are different varieties. The best one is listed as DDO-001 and FS-101.
This is the most major variety here:
http://images.PCGS.com/CoinFacts/26...2135_max.jpg

Find a discussion here (must be logged into Facebook):
https://www.facebook.com/groups/517...50634037990/

Here are the images of the coin that got it listed into CherryPickers' Guide:
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They don't care, they don't guarantee the attributions are correct anyway.
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Here is anothe example
The 1957-D reengraved tail feathers quarter is a nice variety and the ms64 graded example they show is just a normal coin where the au coin they have is an actual example of the variety

http://www.PCGScoinfacts.com/coin/detail/511574

And thanks so much for the compliment on my pics !
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