Statehood Quarter Die Clashes Misattributed As Doubled Dies

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Tanman2001 Pillar of the Community United States 4406 Posts	Posted 11/21/2018 8:29 pm 1999-P 25¢ CT WDDR-001 2001-P 25¢ NC WDDO-001, WDDO-003 I strongly believe these three varieties are actually die clashes. A member today posted about a Connecticut quarter they found that they thought could be WDDR-001. I've been looking for that variety, and I've found a few similar ones that just didn't look like a DDR to me. Seeing this new thread encouraged me to dig out my old finds try to figure out what is going on with these. I tried making an overlay (I did it but it's a pretty crappy one) to see if it matched up with anything on the obverse, and sure enough, there are two tiny threads of hair with the exact same shape in the exact same spot on the obverse. I wasn't confident that this wasn't confirmation bias on my part, so I sought out more evidence. Later I checked if anyone has found a die clash on the Connecticut quarter, to see if the die clash marks were similar to WDDR-001. I was brought to another forum where someone did find a CT die clash and the clash marks are the same exact shape and in the same exact location as WDDR-001, just a bit stronger. I posted all of the photos onto that thread: http://goccf.com/t/333521 This whole experience reminded me of another so-called doubled die that really bugged me: The North Carolina DDO. There are currently two very similar doubled dies listed that are described as having incredibly strong, rotational doubling behind the year. This doubling looks like two to three parallel lines through the hair behind the ear. Through my searching, I have found at least two more with this 'doubling'. I found it extremely unlikely that there are numerous dies with the same significant doubling in the same year and on the design variety. I made another crappy overlay and a small part of the Wright's airplane has three parallel lines ended up being right behind the ear. Here's the overlay: What do you guys think? Do you agree or do you still believe they are doubled dies? Or do you have another explanation? Also, I have emailed Wexler my findings, I'll let you know what he thinks. Report this Post to the Staff

CoinHunter27 Pillar of the Community United States 5887 Posts	Posted 11/21/2018 8:41 pm Hey Tanman. I think your argument is very convincing, and Mr Wexler will have something to think about. I am actually unaware of the North Carolina DDO, and I will research that a bit more, but I think you could be right. Also, if this does turn out to be correct, and they are Die clashes, will it still be a variety? Thanks for the explanation and detailed pictures. I look forward to the E-mail response. Happy hunting. -CoinHunter27 Collector of U.S. Coins, Varieties, and Colonial Coinage Edited by CoinHunter27 11/21/2018 8:41 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Tanman2001 Pillar of the Community United States 4406 Posts	Posted 11/21/2018 8:42 pm Quote: will it still be a variety? Yes, but die clashes aren't nearly as sought after as doubled dies. There is a website dedicated to clashes like there is for doubled dies: http://www.maddieclashes.com/ Edited by Tanman2001 11/21/2018 8:43 pm Report this Post to the Staff
CoinHunter27 Pillar of the Community United States 5887 Posts	Posted 11/21/2018 8:45 pm Thanks. I'll check into it. One totally unrelated question. Is there a trustworthy website for different varieties that aren't doubled dies or RPM's. Things like the extra Cactus leaf quarter or the IGWR quarter? Collector of U.S. Coins, Varieties, and Colonial Coinage Report this Post to the Staff
Tanman2001 Pillar of the Community United States 4406 Posts	Posted 11/21/2018 8:52 pm The IGWR quarter would be an error, not a variety. It is a striking issue rather than a die issue, so each one is unique and cannot be listed or cataloged. The extra leaf is a die chip or die break and those are technically varieties (clashes and breaks are in a gray area between errors and varieties), those are listed here along with Cuds and cracks: www.cuds-on-coins.com and there's also a lesser known error-variety called a trail die: www.traildies.com Edited by Tanman2001 11/21/2018 8:52 pm Report this Post to the Staff
CoinHunter27 Pillar of the Community United States 5887 Posts	Posted 11/21/2018 8:59 pm Alright I'll check those out thanks Collector of U.S. Coins, Varieties, and Colonial Coinage Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 11/22/2018 09:45 am Quote: The extra leaf is a die chip or die break and those are technically varieties Actually they are die stages as well not varieties. Report this Post to the Staff
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