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1884 Morgan VAM? Anyone Have Any Idea?

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I am trying to determine the VAM for this 1884 Morgan. I thought it might be VAM 12 because I see some doubling of the motto, although it is not the same as 12 I do not know what it could be? I tried to get clear images but if you need an area specific then let me know and I will try and get an image of that area.

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To me with these pics all I see on front, 1 and couple of stars doubled, back ONE doubled. I don't see it as a 12 but need much closer pics to tell myself. Is this one a Far date?
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Is this one a Far date?

NDBirdman, Yes, it is a far date. I can take a picture under a scope of a particular area, just let me know what would make it easier to identify.
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I run all mine under a scope and take a pic of all defects/errors etc I can find. I'm still learning myself, a long ways from nailing VAMs. Scope it out and post all the errors/cracks/doubling etc you can find on it. I will look at them when I get a chance but no guarantee I can figure it out, I have many myself that confound me. That far date eliminates alot of VAM numbers, makes it a little easier.
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I took some more pictures like you suggested of areas I found. Does this help?
This is the letter "A" in Amerca.
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This is the "O" of Of.
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These are the "A & R" in Dollar
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This is the "WE" In God We Trust.
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Thanks for your assistance.
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Any doubled reeding?
Clashing?
Die breaks?
Trying to magnify on my screen, is that a line under the 1?

Your scope gets up closer than mine, what are you using? Or is this pic magnification?
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Toning is throwing me off quite a bit, not a fan of it myself. I can't tell, does it possibly have the double ear of a VAM 19? I can't tell if it does, if it's tone, or a shadow. Just another thought, I'm trying to match some up.
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I'm also unable to find a VAM with a line under the one, is it a line or PMD?
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Ok, Here are some better closeup images of the areas. I am using an AmScope with 30x and 60x.

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Any doubled reeding?
Clashing?
Die breaks?
Trying to magnify on my screen, is that a line under the 1?

No doubled reeding that I can see.
No Clashing
No Die Breaks
Here are some images of below the one.
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does it possibly have the double ear of a VAM 19?

Yes, just barely but it does look like it.


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I'm on the fence now about both of those. I have to admit, now I'm stumped, I don't know where I would put this one. Almost looks like a P, or R sideways under the one, not sure if that is considered a line, or a slightly shifted (doubled) 1. I don't think that is a doubled ear, but I'm still learning. Hopefully someone knowledgeable will eventually chime in.
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