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Segovian Mint. The "Real Ingenio"

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 Posted 01/02/2019  2:31 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add txabs to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello, a few days ago, I promised @1c5d7n5m to open a new post to discuss about Segovian Mint, the crown jewel of all Spanish numismatics.

While any other mints were coining cobs, Spanish Royal Family commissioned a factory in Tyrol the stuff needed to mint coins with roller dies. The machinery arrived in Segovia in 1580, in the largest industrial convoy ever seen in Europe.

From its foundation until 1665, the 'Real Ingenio' coexisted with another mint, called 'La Casa Vieja' (The Old House), which used manual technology to make cobs, similar to those of the rest of the peninsular and colonial mints, but there were two different factories.

You can expand information on this link, it is difficult for me to write a long text in English because it is not my native language

http://www.segoviamint.org/english/history.htm

There were minted with roller dies pieces of copper (maravedis), silver (reales) and gold (escudos). While maravedis are easy to find, silver is a bit more difficult and Segovian gold is so rare (and expensive).

At a time when the coins of Spain and its colonies were extremely poor quality, the Segovian pieces were so attractive because of roller dies technology. They are considered by most of Spanish collectors as the most beautiful coins ever minted in Spain. You have to take into account that we are talking about some coetaneous pieces to the cobs, a century and a half before they began to mint the pillar dollars.

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Segovian Roller dies
Now I'm showing you a 8 reales piece minted in 1630, this is mine. I only have this one from Segovian mint, I've asked some friends, to show you a few more examples.

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All coins coming from roller dies are a bit warped... and if you somehow find a totally plane one, it's probably a counterfeit :)

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The edge is completely flat, they minted a whole strip of coins, and then they cut out the flans with another machine, called torculadora (in Spanish)

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This is my coin

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This is a strip of 2 reales coins without cutting

I hope you have learned something new today, if you want to ask or add something, please do it.

Kind regards (and again, sorry for my English)
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01/03/2019 06:01 am
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Loved it !! Thank You. English easy to read. What is next ?
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Thank you. Informative and well-written.
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Interesting that you can really see the effect of the rolling die on the non-flatness of the resulting coins. Super thread @txabs!
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Here's my take on the Real Ingenio.

That appears to be a fantasy die on the roller with a denomination of 100 and monarch CAROLUS II.
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Here you an see another good example of 8 Reales, this one is one of the last silver strucked in Segovia.

From 1727 to 1729, under Felipe V, roller dies silver was minted in Madrid, Seville and Segovia, and all of them were designed under the same exact inset (coming from the same matrix)

This coin is not mine, although I have permission of the owner to show it to you :), Thank you @GP

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This one, has a lovely died edge.

As Segovia did not have access to any silver mine or port (to use the plunded colonial silver), is very normal to coins milled there to have cracks or planchet flaws. The quality of the silver they used was in general so poor, they used rusty ingots, old coins or even people´s rustery to do their work.

Impressive "duro" @jgenn!

I will continue showing you some pieces milled there, but not affordable for "not rich" people. I guess there are the fantasy coins you are talking about, although they were not fantasy, but exhibition. Silver 50 reales (cincuentines) and gold 100 escudos (centenes) :)

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Cincuentin is 74mm and 170g of .900 silver

Centen is 75.5mm and ¡338g! of .900 gold

They were exibithion coins not used to norma circulation, you can see they were closer to doughnuts xD

Kind Regards, and thank you guys for reading the post!!


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