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And what's going on with this one's reverse? Details are very mushy. Weight is spot on and obverse looks as it should.   |
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The raised lines on your first two Morgans are die cracks (and a small die break in the third close up pic), which are very common on 1921 Morgans. The 1921-S looks like PMD on the reverse. |
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 with die cracks on the first two. I can't tell about the '21-S without a closeup of something in question. In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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Lots of die cracks, I like those! This coin looks like it has spent most it's life in a coin bag receiving a lot of damage. Might be some double die going on but the pics/condition of the coins make it hard to see. IMHO, I'd think melt value, but that's just me. If I had the coins in my hands I might think otherwise. I might use the first one as a hole filler until I could find a nicer one, the S, I'd have to think hard about that one, but again, IMHO.
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01/10/2019 10:50 am
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Those are die cracks on the reverse. Very common on 1921 Morgans. Need better pics of the '21-S to check if die cracks or PMD. Hard to tell from the current images provided. |
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I agree the marks are definitely die cracks. I've never seen die cracks on my coins so this is a first for me. Getting back to the mushy reverse on the 21s. The obverse looks legit and not messed with. The reverse does not have an obvious, I've been abused or altered look to it. I'm thinking Grease Filled Die?     |
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Any thoughts on that reverse?
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What is the question, exactly? There is a distracting scratch across the eagle's tummy
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The flatly-struck breast is common on 1921-dated Morgans which were hubbed based on a modified and re-engraved 1878 "2nd Reverse of 1878" 7 tailfeather/parallel arrow feather reverse die.
In 1879 (for most issues) the breast feathers were modified to be sharper and more easily discernible, a change which lasted through 1904. A much smaller number of S and CC branch-mint Morgans were made using the "old" flat-breasted reverse design through 1880, to the best of my remembrance.
The other lines you are seeing are known as "die cracks" and occur when the dies used to strike the coins develop stress fractures for a variety of reasons such as improper hardening, impurities, high strike pressure, age, and wear over time. The cracks show up as RAISED lines on the surface of the coin, as opposed to post-strike damage/scratches and gouges which will be LOWER than the surface of the coin.
I would need better pictures (in natural light, no flash) to tell you more about the 21-S.
The rim damage above M in AMERICA in one of the coins you listed is post-strike damage. In between the E and R on the same coin, you can see a die chip in line with the crack, where a small piece of the die actually chipped off.
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I am not sure, but with the additional pics, the '21-S has the appearance of having been plated (especially the reverse). I don't know about coins only being plated on one side unless they were encased. Plating would cause the "mushy" details and what appears to be an absence of original luster.  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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Here are better pics of the reverse.   |
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There are some die polishing lines, which are scratches in the die that cause raised lines on the coin that appear to travel under the devices.
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Aside from the common die cracks Morgan's seem to have, I'd think the marks are typical. Don't forget these heavy, soft metal coins fell into a hopper by the thousands. Then dumped into a counting machine where they were bagged. Bags stacked(without much care) numerous times between mint and bank vault. With all that going on it's nearly impossible to find flawless examples. Those that somehow survive are priced accordingly.
That aside, you have some nice pieces. I also have to agree that at least one looks to have been polished.
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