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Interruptions In Nickel Full Steps

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My coin shop guy recently told me that (at least by PCGS standards), any interruption from left to right does eliminate the FS designation in Jefferson nickels. If that's true, I find that unfair and literally un-reason-able. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the 'specialness' of full steps was about strike quality, not anything that happens after the strike. Granted, post-mint wear can remove steps too, in which case you can't know how many were struck. But if the coin clearly received a sharp 5-6 steps in striking, especially if it's a mint date notorious for lousy strikes, why shouldn't a vertical nick just be figured into the number grade, same as if it was anywhere else on the coin? Using it to deny that an excellent strike occurred just seems like a manipulation to keep FS populations artificially low.#65279;
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That is just messed up. And think about how much wiggle room the word 'major' affords them. They could call the same length/depth of a disturbance major or minor, simply depending on whether they WANT to give any specific coin the designation or not. I may be a coin newbie but I know intentional ambiguity when I see it, and I can only imagine how much outrage this one discrepancy has caused.
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Most grading/designation definitions will have ambiguity because there is a lot in grading where you know it when you see it. You could write a book the size of War and Peace and it still wouldn't cover every possible hit/nark/nick/interruption or their locations ect for the FS designation on whether or not it would still get it. Instead it's described as no major disturbances which is what it is.
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Well said.
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Most grading/designation definitions will have ambiguity because there is a lot in grading where you know it when you see it. You could write a book the size of War and Peace and it still wouldn't cover every possible hit/nark/nick/interruption or their locations ect for the FS designation on whether or not it would still get it. Instead it's described as no major disturbances which is what it is.



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I can speak from my experience on what I sent in for grading, not from actual facts on PCGS guidelines. They appear to let a light bag mark across the steps pass; however, not deep marks -- especially if the deep mark passes through all steps, top to bottom. It also seems they tend to treat pre 1980s Nickels differently from more modern years which is kind of a little confusing. I saw in one of their grading videos that they refer to these newer years as "ultra modern" era and are more aggressive with their grading standards. Meaning in ultra modern era years, they probably will not pass a light mark across the steps. Most of what I have are 1960s, 70's and 80's Nickels and those are the years I sent in.
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