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1867 Shield 5c No Rays FS-1306 RPD Variety Ck.

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I think I ID'd this particular variety on this coin but neither PCGS nor NGC provide photos.

Please confirm that it is or is not this variety. If these shots depict a more appropriate match for another choice, let it be known.


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I moved your post to the appropriate section for the proper attention.

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 Posted 01/14/2019  05:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This additional close-up shot of the date should assist:


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The attribution verbiage (w/o a supporting photo) speaks of some slight obv. doubling. I could only find it on the left arrow:


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I needed to receive some ideas as to whether or not this 5C has a high probability of being a rare variety.

I truly wish to avoid using one of my PCGS vouchers on something that is only valued at $ 50 etc.

Also, I have had great success before obtaining variety pricing from

https://coins.ha.com/ref/price-guid...gCategory=21

however, this potentially present FS-1306 variety is absent from this price list.

Where else can I find wholesale and/or retail prices for the FS-1306 for this coin?
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I don't have the references that the variety is cross referenced to to look at any other images of the known variety, but the description does say the date was repunched counterclockwise from the original impression and I would say this coin has the date repunched CLOCKWISE. The weaker underneath impression is typically considered to be the original punching. In that case the repunch is rotated clockwise around a point somewhere in the 67 leaving the original punch showing below the second punching.
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How would the left arrow be described as?

Would it be the 'slightly doubled obverse' that the NGC diagnostic refers to?

Is it a DD or MD?

If indeed this arrow exhibits doubling, is it correct to categorize 'any' type of doubling as clockwise or counterclockwise?

If this type of categorization is possible, can one part of a coin on the same side have concurrently both clockwise and counterclockwise doubling? I realize that this question sounds odd but this coin appears to have a counterclockwise top layer-stamped left arrow and a clockwise top layer-punched date...
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I'm not sure but I believe the doubling on that left arrow is a characteristic of the hub itself.

Yes it is doubled on Obv hub A which was used on all 1867's
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The coin is not FS-1306. The doubling on the date does not match, and the positioning of the date (relative to the ball above) does not match.

I have 37 1867NR RPDs catalogued with doubling to the south. Don't have time now to go through all of them and see if it's listed. There are many RPDs yet to be catalogued.

Unless the variety is in CPG, the best you will get from PCGS is "minor variety RPD". I don't see a match in CPG.
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> If this type of categorization is possible, can one part of a coin on the same side have concurrently both clockwise and counterclockwise doubling?

It is possible for the date to be doubled in a different direction that the rest of the coin.
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