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1975 $100 Cayman Isle Gold Pc.-360 Deg. 1/3 Rim Layer Discoloration Diagnos

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The coin weighs 22.7 g and has a diameter of 34 both of which are in spec.

I am unable to locate any data on the thickness that the mint was supposed to make this coin at.

https://www.NGCcoin.com/price-guide...duid-1280436

Because it's a proof coin I'll hold off on taking the entire obv and rev shots only because the reflections make it hard to produce a useful diagnostic shot.

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Although I'm not providing the full obv and rev shots, this close-up of the obv.'s rim clearly shows the aforementioned layering that I'm concerned about:


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Finally, here are three additional shots that better represent the dark blue color that goes completely around the coin's rim.

That dark color is covering about 1/3 of the coin's thickness from the rev. side (five queen portraits) out toward the middle of the rim.


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At this point I would be more than happy to know if this coin is 0.050 AGW. The grading details are secondary at this point in the discovery process etc.
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There (should be) zero difference in the thickness between a proof or a non-proof for this series of coins.

Side Note: Here's some info on the engraver https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Machin .


1975 Cayman Islands Gold 100 Dollars BU
KM#13
Cayman Islands, 100 dollars
Composition: Gold
Mintmark: None shown
Thickness: 2.7 mm
Edge: Reeded
Diameter: 34 mm
Mintage: 8,053 (excluding Proof)
Fineness: 0.5000
Weight: 22.6801g
AGW: 0.364590801678268oz
Melt value as of 2/2 $482 USD
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I have done some calculating. Basic lower high school math.

Density of pure gold 19.32 g/cc
given: diameter 3.4cm, weight 22.681 g.

If pure gold, average thickness calculates at 1.174mm.
If pure silver**, average thickness calculates at 2.33mm.

I would assume that the density of .500 fine gold of around 16g/cc for this coin should yield a calculation of average thickness of around 1.75mm
Check measurement for thickness.


** density of pure silver 10.5 g/cc.
density of copper 8.93 g/cc.


Some guesses as to why the color banding:
1. The color band may be due to improper mixing of copper in the alloy.
2. Finely divided Silver on a photographic plate is black. Finely divided gold happens to be purple in color.
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