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Metal Detecting Find In Victoria Bc: 1936 Dot? See Pics And Chime In Please..

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A buddy who metal detects found this in Victoria BC in an area that is being dug up to redo the sewer lines. This area was used from the early 1900s to the 1940s for various uses (rifle range, etc). It was built over back then as a sort of seawall and hasn't been dug up since.
Anyways he found this (see pics) 1936 cent. It's a bit affected by the elements but it looks like there's a dot on it and it looks to be in the right place. I thought I'd post it for him on here so we can see what you experts think of it before sending it off for grading...

(Sorry for the low quality pics, it's taken with my cell phone)
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 Posted 01/24/2019  1:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ace_ftw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My first thought was no the dot (I am assuming you think the lower one) was too low, but looking at this again (and again) the dot is raised, and off center to the right which is also correct.


I am unsure, it would be amazing if it is, I think Roger will need to chime in on this one.
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 Posted 01/24/2019  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tlutz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks to low to me. There's about 5 or 6 dots so I'm thinking it would just be die chipping.
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 Posted 01/24/2019  1:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not "The" 1936 dot.
Your dot is too low. The real 36 dot is closer to the date than the rim.
Yours is closer to the rim than the date.
Close bit no cigar.
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 Posted 01/24/2019  2:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ironhorse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Having seen literally thousands of coins come out the ground, I can say that the dot you see is a corrosion bump....there are dozens on the coin of different sizes but they're all the same thing
And as others mentioned the placement doesn't quite line up with other examples as a reference

I can tell you that the thrill of the hunt shouldn't end at this, I hope your friend keeps at it, there are real treasures in the ground waiting to be found.
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That coin is not a 1936 Dot penny.
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Not the 1936 dot penny.

Dot is too low and off-centre.
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that is a conveniently occurring corrosion bump - without the experts opinions, it had me fooled!
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 Posted 01/25/2019  1:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Quatchi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not the 1936 "dot" dot, but it might be an interesting filler coin until you get your hands on a real one some day.
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Here's another image zoomed in with red lines for placement crossed with a verified "dot" on the left...
It's probably just wear and tear but the placement looks close...


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All those lines didn't help, it is still too low.
Look at the distance from the date.
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 Posted 01/25/2019  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tlutz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Close is not close enough. It's to low to be a 1936 dot.
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 Posted 01/26/2019  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darryldarryl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One doesn't need to be an expert on the 36 Dot to see that it is not a 36 Dot cent
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 Posted 01/26/2019  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it is probable that this not what we would conventionally call a "Dot cent", but I am a little curious on some of the rational for dismissing.


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Dot is too low and off-centre



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Close is not close enough. It's to low to be a 1936 dot


The RCM and Royal/Heaton mint before it are not exactly known for their perfection and precision on hand punched elements of a die. There are plenty of examples of high/medium/low, large/small, DP/TP/QP, etc... coins out there, both before and after 1936.

There seems to be a murky history to the 1936 coins with dots, was there a full production run that was melted down? If yes, is this from a die other than the 3 pittman coins? Maybe it was stuck in the hopper and mixed in with another batch and escaped being melted with the rest (this seems to happen from time to time). I don't know, the images are not clear, it would be interesting to see in hand and/or better pictures.

As someone pointed out, a die chip or corrosion bubble, maybe even a forgery is the likely case for this coin, but I am not sure I would just dismiss because it does not align perfectly with 3 examples from one source. The "dot" looks to be about the right shape and size, but lots of other factors to consider.

There is only one known variety... until someone finds another.
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01/26/2019 1:27 pm
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 Posted 01/27/2019  08:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add justanothercoinaddict to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty cool find even if it isn't the holy grail cent. I'll bet that a nice burst of adrenaline accompanied that first glimpse of the dot.
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I'll bet that a nice burst of adrenaline accompanied that first glimpse of the dot.


I agree!
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01/27/2019 2:05 pm
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