Coin ID And War Damage Help (Id: Russian Kopeck)

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FuzzyDuck Valued Member United Kingdom 106 Posts	Posted 01/26/2019 1:28 pm Hi All, first off is anybody able to I.D the coin please? And secondly, does anybody have any insight into coins with bullet damage and /or bullets still in them? The idea that it was a common occurrence during ww1/2 seems a bit too far fetched and there are a fair few for sale online. I may well be wrong, hence asking for others help. I like the look of this one. what's are your thoughts on being genuine from a battleground? The coin is dated 1899 and the bullet certainly looks like its been there a while, but fraudsters are clever in making things look genuine when not!! It is described as being from a Russian & German battle. I apologise if this is the wrong forum, it seemed the best suited Thanks Report this Post to the Staff

CoinBuffalo Valued Member United States 220 Posts	Posted 01/26/2019 2:40 pm Definitely looks like a Russian 1 Kopeck. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces4061.html Sorry, that's all I can help with. Someone else may know more about bullets in coins. Report this Post to the Staff
llewellin Pillar of the Community United States 1005 Posts	Posted 01/26/2019 3:07 pm I don't understand why a person, when seeing something like this, would automatically assume it happened in a battle. It just seems far more likely that someone was just shooting at coins to try to get a bullet stuck in one. Doesn't seem like fraud at all to make something like this, just something fun to do if you have spare time, a gun, and some coins you don't care about. Any potential buyer should probably realize this and without things like provenance, written testimony, etc., just treat this like a curiosity not a historical artifact. Report this Post to the Staff
Anaximander Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 709 Posts	Posted 01/26/2019 3:08 pm I am a bit sceptical about this one. I trained on the .303in Lee Enfield for squadron shooting competitions and the 7.62 SLR for ordinary use. Sometimes I used to fire the .303 at 1/4 inch armour plate at ranges of from 100yds upwards. If hit square on, the .303 could go clean through. Grubbing through the sandbank later while removing the armour plate, I would find splattered and deformed bullets. That picture looks like a full bore rifle round. If German WW1/2 it would be 7.92mm, with similar performance to the .303. Unless at the end of its flight or having lost most of its energy from hitting something else first, it would be capable of going through all but possibly the engine block of a modern car! Somehow I just dont see an almost completely undeformed bullet striking a coin with just enough energy to lodge neatly like that. I am no ballistics expert, but gut instinct makes me think "fake". Report this Post to the Staff
oriole Pillar of the Community Canada 5246 Posts	Posted 01/26/2019 5:08 pm I'm with @anaximander on this one. It is just too "perfect" to be believable. A far simpler explanation is far more likely. Or try this: How would you prove that it was NOT manufactured someplace outside of a battlefield-suppose you were trying to convince a judge? Report this Post to the Staff
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