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Good !.....not many people seem to know about it. It really was a great movie too. I made my Uncle watch the movie and he became facinated and I pointed out that "this area" wasn't all that far from him. Then I bought him several books about Ishi and the Yahi. And so he eventually realized that the same place where his wifes family has property was the same general location. He, for years, remembered them talking about these mounds and always finding stuff, but none of them knew about the Yahi or Ishi until my Uncle told them and showed them maps and areas and village locations and campsites and historical "occurences" with white men, etc. etc. (thanks originally to me of course bringing this to his attention and providing him with the material!)
And so someday, when I visit them, I may get to walk the same ground as Ishi, possibly near the spot where his wife and children were slain......dunno. But I'd do it with great respect and reverence for what happened to him and his people.
I'm not sure if I could disturb even a "refuse" pile, but if an object was just laying on the dirt as I'm walking along ?.......I don't know.
But, yeah, a very "moving" "soul stirring" film if anybody's interested in the plight of what many tribes had to endure.
Chief Joseph of the Nez Perce in Washington State was another heartbreaking/facinating story........but there's sooooo many !
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08/17/2008 12:20 am
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"if an object was just laying on the dirt as I'm walking along ?"
Yes, I can understand that. I've found an arrowhead laying on the top of the ground near here, and just yesterday I found a "lithofact", which is a stone discard after making a tool. I found that in my back yard, so it's possible there are others.
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You better not tell anyone about your "back yard" find Kurt ! They (the state, or a tribe) may try to claim ownership of your yard.....or close it off until they can come in there and complete an archaeological dig fact finding mission or something ! They might tell ya that you have to move ......or arrest ya for disturbing the arrowhead on what was previously unknown sacred ground.....  shhhhhhh ! Edited by eaglefoot
08/17/2008 5:36 pm
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Cause there ARE a few ghost towns in the pine barrens and everything, I thought if I ever picked up a decent detector I could try it out there. Not so sure now.
Metal Detecting is strictly prohibited in both the Wharton & Byrne State forests with the exception of Atsion Lake, which requires a permit.
I was not aware of this until a ranger stopped me at Friendship Cranberry Bogs. He gave me a warning.
All the pne barren ghost towns were heavily detected in the 1970's and you are lucky to find anything anymore.
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eaglefoot, I think there must be a statue of limitations here because as far as I know, no tribe has laid claim to a homeowner's property. However, they did halt development of hill/ridge where native artifacts were found. I'm glad they won in that case--and preserved some of their heritage, as their identity is tied to the land.
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08/20/2008 6:10 pm
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Kurt...
I talked with my Uncle last night......he says the private property where these "mounds" are located are 2 and a half hours away from him. My Uncle lives in Fremont, California. The private property in question here is where his wife's reletives live. So, I'm not sure now, if they are "Yahi" or another tribe. Or if they're "refuse mounds" or "burial mounds", but the reletives and their neighbors have always "kept quiet" and not told anyone about all of the mounds and artifacts on their farmland.....worried that someone will come in and do something. When my Uncle first asked about them......he says the relative gave him a funny look and hesitated before discussing it......then "opened up" about it.
So, though my Uncle knows all about the Ishi and Yahi areas and the "park" that this area is near.......this is "not" the location I was telling you about, it turns out........all private property.
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Yeah...2/1/2 hours away, probably not Yahi. From what I've read, a lot of CA tribes used mounds, sometimes for burials or sometimes not. Usually though, if there was a "dump" mound, a burial was nowhere near. I don't blame them for keeping quiet, because things can get really difficult. An example is "Kennewick Man", a prehistoric burial scientists uncovered near the Columbia river in WA. Despite being 9300 years old, the remains were claimed by 5 different tribes, although there isn't a direct cultural or skeletal link to any contemporary tribe. In fact, some scientists argue the body is closest to the Ainu of Japan. Surprising results.
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"Kennewick Man", !!.....YEP !... I remember reading something about this and I think I also watched a "Discovery Channel" special about it ....or something.....yeah.....that's facinating ! I know where some "pictographs" are on some rock face about an hour and a half north of me. They have a little park set up around the area and you can walk right up and touch them.....pretty neat. I've also found.....where nobody else knows.....some Oregon Trail carvings. Where they've carved their names and dates into limestone rock. Kansas has "established" areas where this is known, but "my spot" is secret and takes some hiking to get there......even the landowner isn't aware of this. (Sadly, 97% of Kansas' land is privately owned......I've heard this is the worst in the United States)(we have been improving though and adding stuff in recent years.....but for an "explorer" with a "wanderlust" related to Lewis & Clark........it KILLS ME to live here !) |
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