Please Help -- Is This 16th Or 17th Century. (Id: Portugal 10 Reis Striking Error)

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09rich15 New Member United States 33 Posts	Posted 02/08/2019 1:11 pm This is what I know: The inscription On the Obverse reads "MARGRUM REGINA PGRATIA" and the Reverse reads "MARGRUM REGINA PORTUGALI". The coin copper, and is the same size as a silver dollar, but about as thin as a dime. Queen Margaret of Portugal was born in 1584 and married Filipe II in 1599. She either died or ceased to be queen in 1611. What I don't know is this a medal or currency. Maybe a commemorative of her coronation or marriage with Filipe II. Any help with more information would be appreciated, including it's value Edited by 09rich15 02/08/2019 5:28 pm Report this Post to the Staff

jbuck Moderator United States 188770 Posts	Posted 02/08/2019 4:09 pm Pictures may help... Uploading Photos Free Image Optimizer Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7950 Posts	Posted 02/08/2019 6:05 pm First impression is that this does not look right to me for a bronze or copper coin/token from around 1600. Especially one so large. Might it pertain to the reign of Maria in the 1790s? Edited by tdziemia 02/08/2019 6:09 pm Report this Post to the Staff
nelson9225 Valued Member 270 Posts	Posted 02/08/2019 6:16 pm looks a bit like a 20 reis from the Azores. a colony of Portugal. but I'm no expert. someone with more knowledge will be chiming in soon Report this Post to the Staff
RogerRamjet Valued Member United States 172 Posts	Posted 02/08/2019 9:17 pm I doubt it's a coin because there's no date or denomination. She became Queen of Portugal when she married in 1599 so this object was most likely produced in the 1600s, aka the 17th century. Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7950 Posts	Posted 02/09/2019 12:08 am What's perplexing to me is that this style of cartouche around the Portuguese shield is not used on coins until the late 1600s, long after the dates for Margaret. Report this Post to the Staff
DCH Pillar of the Community United States 645 Posts	Posted 02/09/2019 2:40 pm I believe this is a flipover double strike of a Maria I piece. Edited by DCH 02/09/2019 2:42 pm Report this Post to the Staff
DCH Pillar of the Community United States 645 Posts	Posted 02/09/2019 2:46 pm I think MARGRUM is actually MARIA over ALGARBIORUM Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7950 Posts	Posted 02/09/2019 7:47 pm Wow! I wish I could think of possibilities like that. That would explain I GRATIA insted of DEI GRATIA, and the absence of ALGARBIORUM in the normal legend. Brilliant! And the dimensions probably make it a 10 Reis coin: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces29735.html Edited by tdziemia 02/09/2019 7:53 pm Report this Post to the Staff
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