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1922 P Peace Dollar - Help With VAM

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After reviewing VAM World, I'm confused as how to identify this. It seems to have characterstics of multiple VAMS. My best guess is VAM 2AG or VAM 2BP.

Any thoughts?

Here is a link to the full size image as well.

1922-P-Peace-Dollar---Help-With-VAM

Also, I've noticed a very pronounced line down the back of the neck from the hairline to the base on a number of Peace dollars. I've never seen any mention of that in any of the VAMS. Any idea what causes that?
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It's a fun one! Does it have Neck, Collar Clash Reverse? I can't tell.
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I can't tell either. I can't actually tell what they are highlighting for that feature at VAMWorld.
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Is that a high relief, or normal?

VAM World-
1922-D VAM-2AG Die Break at Neck & 9= '''2AG II 1 B2a (Die Break at Neck & 9) I-2 R-6''

1922-D VAM-2BP Die Break 9 - Neck, Collar Clash Reverse= '''2BP II1 - B2a (Die Break 9 - Neck, Collar Clash Reverse)

You have the neck die break but not the 9. Your drop die break goes towards the 1 more than the 9 but touches no number. I wonder, is this a very early die break? It's too dirty/toned to determine if it has a collar clash. Try to soak it a couple hours in acetone? That won't hurt it. If that does not clean it up, well, it it were mine, dippity do! LOL
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To me, it looks like the forhead/nose and back of the neck is doubled?
Definitely a B1 reverse.
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Have you looked at 1E2 Die Break Below IN & Back of Neck? Looks like an early 1E2 more than the others to me. Is that a crack from bottom of neck to the 2 or PMD?
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Birdman, you are correct that it is a B1 reverse, so I was obviously off with my initial guess. I also noticed that I specified P instead of D in my title. There is no indication of a break at the back of the neck, and the line from the neck to the 2 is a PMD scratch.

There is no doubling at the forehead, that is accentuated by the lighting. I placed a ring light very near the coin to try and highlight the rims so that the photoshop automatic cropping feature might be more consistent. It left some blue highlighting around the rim and some of the devices.

I can't find a match for this coin, so perhaps it is not a VAM.

I do wonder what is going on with the line at the back of the neck that looks like doubling (I don't think it is). Quite a number of my Peace dollars exhibit this line, and that was my question in the OP. I haven't seen any mention of it in my searches.
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I can't find a match for this coin, so perhaps it is not a VAM.

I believe every morgan has a VAM number assigned to it unless it's an undiscovered error. A normal (if possible) coin, no visable errors, also has a VAM number assigned? I could be wrong, again, I'm learning. :-)


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I do wonder what is going on with the line at the back of the neck that looks like doubling (I don't think it is). Quite a number of my Peace dollars exhibit this line, and that was my question in the OP. I haven't seen any mention of it in my searches.


I read as many as I could, I could not find a single one to match yours, but the 2 I mentioned, is it possible it fits one of them as an early break? Maybe your's was the die cracking for a couple strikes before it developed the bigger/many cracks?
I have a couple with errors that don't fit anything listed. I spent a day reading every VAM number on one, matching up with the pictures and did not find a single match. But, there was a couple that looked like they may have developed from what I had. I just marked them as an early number and press on. A guy could go crazy, or at-least cross-eyed trying to figure some of them out. Good luck with this one, you may never find an exact match.
I picked up a Celestron scope so I could get better images of my coins. If it were not for that, there are many I have I would have never figured out, some of the errors are so minute it takes a micro scope to see them.
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2AW or 2Z perhaps?
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Thanks Au90o. Maybe a late stage VAM-2AW.

Now I also see that it is a B2 reverse. I was thinking that B1 was 2 mountain peaks, and B2 1 mountain peak. Now I see that B2 is 3 mountains, which is correct.
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