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1982 D 3.1g Lincoln Penny Large Or Small? It Looks Like Struck Twice?

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 Posted 03/04/2019  08:06 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Fillosofickle1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,
Originally I thought this penny was terribly damaged and it does have a lot. However, closer inspection seems like much of the damage was done at the mint? Many issues look like a double strike with movement?
The last number in the date #2 seems to change from small to large date depending on lighting and magnification. The #8 is confusing? The D mint mark looks like a double strike. The "i" in liberty is very odd. And, of course the letters across the top are smushed but very elongated if looking at the flattened(?) imprints. I cant see any damage to the coin around the letters, so I dont see how the damage could have been after the mint?
I did read that all letting of the small die are smaller than the large. Could this be small over large? A new find?
Thanks in advance!!
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Under Lincoln's arm(at bottom) appears to have "issues" that could be from a double strike.
The back of the coin might have issues also?
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It is a large date. It's not double struck, rather damaged
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Not an error or double struck, just damage. PMD
Looks like it has vending machine damage.
That would cause the flattening of the letters.
There is also a lot of circulation wear.
Also you don't show a photo of the reverse so we
can't tell what issues it may have.
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PMD (post minting damage) not an error.

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Thanks but I posted this:
" I cant see any damage to the coin around the letters, so I dont see how the damage could have been after the mint?"
Who would be putting pennies in a vending machine and WHY no scratches on the flat coin surface if that was the case?
...i anticipated the comments and dont want to add confusion by showing the back. It's not indicative of the coin being pressed... I can show if we get a little further.

Can anyone address that the damage extends ALL around the coin raised features without damaging the surface?
The "i" on "liberty" is too wide to be just damage. The "d" mint is fat not flat. The bottom of Lincoln profile, under the arm" has "flow" marks(?) Where copper ran?

Does everyone know that "large date" letters are larger than small in the entire phrase "In God we trust"?
We know 3.1g coin was found with small Denver date. We know they had trouble with the minting of new 2.5g pennies. Maybe this is the link. NOT a "double die". A second strike with a small die following a weak large die?
Or not? But I haven't gotten any answers that I didnt explain (in general) already.

It's not helpful to say "its damaged" when I addressed that in my original post. The question is either how or why?
Thanks for the attempt but I'm not "buying" it, so far?

Think of how many people would have spent valuable coins, if they weren't curious?

HOW could anything compress the letters in GOD (etc.) from large date to small date, without leaving an impact on the flat surface? And maintaining the raised lettering. If scraped it would be broken or missing. The "N" might even be a better example when included eith the rest. THATS a very looong "N"?



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The damage to IGWT could also have been caused by a Coin Wrapping Machine. The mechanism that crimps down the ends of the rolls will often cause this sort of damage. As far as a vending machine, this sort of damage can be caused by the old style penny gumball machines. When the coin is inserted and the knob turned, it can damage the coin. Whatever caused it can be debated on and on, but in the long run, it's just damage.
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Lincoln hair seems raised away from his collar, and makes his neck look longer. When light is added and magnified his neck doesn't look as long but his hair is still farther from the collar?
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Thanks for the last reply, but again...
How did the same damage occur here? UNDER the initials VDB (I didnt know they were initials originally)? The initials are over the thicker stair-ike groves, and they appear bigger, like double stamped.
Unsolved mystery? Or "bridging the gap" between large and small dies.
Come on haters.
Not only does the same issue occur you can see a thicker Lincoln bust and a smear in the corner. But the initials are not scratched or indented.
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Those are BIG FAT "VDB" initials at the bottom of Lincolns bust.
So much so, that I never noticed the initials before. Still believe the coin was "damaged"?
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The VDB initials are always incuse. The reason the initials are so crisp is because it is a early die state coin where the details will be significantly crisper even on a circulated example.
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The damage is not below the VDB. on the coin. So any damage on the edge on the bust, will not alter the VDB, because the initials are lower than the bust edge.
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