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What Is This Coin? Long Cross Penny?

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Any help identifying this coin would be appreciated.

Many thanks


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 Posted 03/17/2019  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PaddyB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am struggling to see enough to base a search on, so it really depends on someone recognising the portrait to home in on a country or region.
It is certainly NOT an English long cross penny, or indeed any English coin. At a guess I would suspect a French bishopric or regional issue.
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I agree not an English penny.
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WOuld most feudal French deniers have a cross (not a crown) reverse?

I have seen that reclining S at 5:00 reverse on central/eastern European medievals, but maybe it is widespread.
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I googled "pfennig medieval facing head bearded" and presto (dumb luck)! I can't read the legends on either coin but they certainly look very similar...
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https://www.biddr.ch/auctions/lcg/b...141&l=125962
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godfr...wer_Lorraine
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Great work, kushanshah.

Here is a recent auction result from Elsen with some additional explanation: https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotv...b2fb6f1c8d4c

This coin was attributed to Godfrey by K. Giesen (reference) which refutes the previous attribution to Hildesheim (mint) under either duc Ordulf, or Count Udo II. This places the issuing of this denier in a Frisian mint, before the issuing of two types with the legend MERE CIVITAS.

Edit: And what I thought was a crown with a cross, is a building such as a church with a cross on top (as seen with many 12th-13th c. denars from Germany etc)
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