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Valued Member
Canada
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Hi! I've bought this coin to a reputable dealer in montreal. He sells coins and banknotes, when coins are cleaned or polished he write it down. He said to me this coin hasn't been polished or cleaned and he did'nt write "cleaned" on the 2X2 What is your opinion? He will refund me if this come back "cleaned" thanks for your opinion and your knowledge. [URL="https://ibb.co/RCMMn6c]  [/url] [URL="https://ibb.co/Cny7xsN]  [/url] Edited by Sergiomomesso
03/21/2019 8:02 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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The reverse looks like it may have had a light cleaning; hard to tell for the obverse, but my gut tells me yes.
Can you see a bunch of small hairlines all going in the same direction?
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Valued Member
 Canada
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np, I see no hairlines on the coin, and the dealer clearly identifies his coin so he's not a crooked guy he would have marks it and he did'nt. I will ask him when he comes back monday but as I said, he usually clearly INDICATE on the coin when such thing...
Could it be a very old cleaning? will the grader comment it..
Edited by Sergiomomesso
03/21/2019 8:20 pm
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Valued Member
Canada
60 Posts |
I think that is has been cleaned, it looks very unnaturally bright. But besides that, its a great coin, in AU condition.
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Valued Member
Canada
194 Posts |
does it affect the grade or the value a LOT ?
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Moderator
 United States
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Don't forget to flatten those staples. John1  |
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Valued Member
Canada
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haha yeah, don't need to, it is en route for ICCS ! :D
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Pics aren't the best, but I don't see obvious evidence of cleaning. How about some close-ups?
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Valued Member
Canada
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I don't got any I bought it in the same mall that I sent my lot for ICCS. I should get it back by two weeks max.. I'll post the result.. i
i think it is at least a XF-40 .. what's your opinion?
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Valued Member
Canada
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No question the coin has been cleaned. But details look AU for sure. Coins from that period would very rarely (almost never) remain naturally bright white like that. It becomes a question of the coin being dipped in a market-acceptable way, or has it been scrubbed or polished or treated with a harsh chemical. Based on the images, I would lean toward the latter.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I think it's critical to differentiate between dipping and cleaning.
I view them totally separate.
There is no doubt whatsoever this coin has been dipped, but that is OK.
I see (no hairlines from the pictures) zero evidence of cleaning.
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Valued Member
Canada
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I would say it has been dipped excessively. It has developed a weird hazy appearance that is unnatural. It wouldn't straight-grade at either NGC or PCGS. ICCS will probably net grade it and not mention the issue.
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Valued Member
Canada
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Mostly agree with everything Numiscat said except for I think ICCS will both net grade it an comment on the issue. In addition the market acceptability of this coin being cleaned(or whatever you would like to call it excessively dipped, etc) I believe it would not be market acceptable. The reason being this coin is much too high grade to ignore it. Yes in VF or below this could easily be market acceptable on these rare, old and desirable coins but on EF or higher where you have more discerning collectors you are losing alot of the value. Dipping a coin can enhance it's value sadly but in this case whoever did this ruined the coin to just a details coin.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Would love to see ICCS results if they are in. Let us know!
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Valued Member
Canada
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still waiting, it should be in this week or maximum next monday!
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Valued Member
Canada
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here's the ICCS results! [URL="https://ibb.co/7rgrSKT]  [/url] |
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Posted 03/21/2019 8:18 pm
