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New Member
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What seal is it you were looking for on the flip?  |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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ICCS flips haven't had seals on them since about 25 years ago, so save your time looking for one.
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Of course they have seals, keeps the coin in and the environment out.
That's the seal silverwolf wants to see.
But he doesn't want to see if the certificate has been switched.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
Edited by DBM
04/01/2019 12:03 am
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Moderator
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A few comments:
1. Use of the word "fraudulent" is very serious, and implies intent. You don't go tossing that word around, unless you can prove it.
2. The coin has pretty crappy eye-appeal, and bit of a crappy strike, but to me, it does look like a "baggy" mint state coin. The wear points on the reverse and the rims, show no circulation wear.
3. I suspect at one time, this coin looked even worse... probably the whole thing was darkly toned, and it looks "dipped to death" in places, the gaps in toning between the words of the devices is noticeable, as is the darker toning in the ear, eye and in-between the hairlines, as if this was carefully wiped with a Q-tip that was dipped in dipping solution. This is not a natural toning pattern by any means, otherwise the 'pull-away' effect should be noticeable around the obverse legend (and it is not). ICCS does not penalize this kind of thing, but I suspect this coin would get bagged as "Genuine" by PCGS.
I think this coin was graded (fairly recently) by ICCS, as a "technical MS-63". Again, eye appeal is crap, strike is not overly strong, the toning pattern is suspect, and it looks "dead" - but I doubt it was actually switched, that is, unless you can prove it.
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New Member
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I agree, eye appeal is crap. I've never seen a coin of this high of a grade with flattened, inconsistent denticles around the edges (which to me look like wear rather than a crappy strike, but I acquiesce to the experts). I don't throw the term fraudulent around lightly, believe me. I came to this forum because I also purchased some Confederate bills in the same auction that are counterfeit, and when I looked at this coin and thought it wasn't MS-63 I figured something was going on. I already called the auction house 3 times, first time just stating that the bills were fake and the grading of the coin is suspect, but making it clear that I didn't blame them, it was most likely the consignor that was the issue. Just wanted my money back no questions asked. Haven't heard back and they are not returning my calls, which makes me question their integrity.
I will call them back today to apologize for my error regarding the coin, but I still think they should be taking the fake bills back. If you sell them as real, they should be real should they not? Unfortunately when you see the pictures they look real and I'm always a Caveat Emptor type person, but when an auctioneer sells them as real they are putting their reputation on the line, and should stand behind it.
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Pillar of the Community
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vet300....I agree, when anyone sells a coin or currency as genuine and it turns out to be fake, then they should always take it back.
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Just wanted my money back no questions asked. Haven't heard back and they are not returning my calls, which makes me question their integrity. That would do it for me too. Even a reply that says, "No we cannot refund" shows more than an ignore. (though I don't wish that sort of reply on you.) |
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Pillar of the Community
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That looks fine, ICCS Iikes that sort of coin. Looks completely normal for an unc 38 they have problems with collars too, like 1939. Nothing wrong with that coin
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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What are the dark areas? Toning? Grime? Both? Just trying to learn as I see coins on ebay that are so dark in places that it looks like possible corrosion. |
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Agree with Alan , this is a very typical look for an UNC 1937 through 1939 George VI
Silver Dollar . To find a Full Sharp denticled Obverse on these Coins is a challenge .
Striking pressure was a problem as well .
As to the toning and eye Appeal , pretty much a very pedestrian and unexciting Example .
Remember that these dollars were struck from unpolished dies and are an unappealing satiny colour
to begin with . Gems with bright Lustre are very very difficult to acquire.
Nothing wrong with this recently graded 3 Letter ICCS MS63 Dollar.
To the moderator .....change the title , hardly Fraudulent!
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Pillar of the Community
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yup, the graders look 'under' the toning for the surface grade......a lesson in "eye-appeal" and "buy the coin, not the holder"
as mentioned above, this is common for dollars of this era.....try and find a nice high end 1945 or 1946 in MS64 that is brilliant white.
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Pillar of the Community
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On top of the collar die issues that muck the denticles, Finding a blast white 38 is quite hard. Most have off white lusterous finish and tonig just like seen here. Comparing a 1938 to a 1945-1952 is like comparing 2 different mints. I agree the title should be changed immediately, and before one jumps to conclusions one should approach such questions with great care. Just because one hasn't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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