1803 Half Cent On Ebay ..... I Don't Think This Is Legit.

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johnjkedel Pillar of the Community United States 594 Posts	Posted 03/31/2019 3:45 pm Can someone else let me know if I am correct? The reverse shown does not match any of the 4 varieties of the 1803 Half Cent. It is being offered with 'no return'. Am I not seeing correctly? ebay item 264263273062 Report this Post to the Staff

Pauldog Valued Member United States 325 Posts	Posted 03/31/2019 3:50 pm Here are the pictures from the auction: Report this Post to the Staff
txgolfer56 Valued Member United States 475 Posts	Posted 03/31/2019 3:55 pm Looks fake to me. No expert in this series. Report this Post to the Staff
JimmyD Bedrock of the Community Canada 21593 Posts	Posted 03/31/2019 6:00 pm It is a counterfeit, thanks for catching. I will report it to the CCF Counterfeit Forum for removal. Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 03/31/2019 6:13 pm JimmyD - Have you checked the date features against the known Cohen varieties, is that why you're so confident? Report this Post to the Staff
JimmyD Bedrock of the Community Canada 21593 Posts	Posted 03/31/2019 6:35 pm Coinfrog, The overall coin has small discrepencies. Not only are there differences on the Obverse, but I used the reverse as a reference in reporting this listing. There are several distinctive differences. The serifs on the copy is different. The spacing between the leaves and copy is different. The 200 is larger. Here is what I am referring to. Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 03/31/2019 7:56 pm Yes, the differences are apparent, thanks. I didn't doubt you were correct, just interested in your sources. Edited by Coinfrog 03/31/2019 7:58 pm Report this Post to the Staff
JimmyD Bedrock of the Community Canada 21593 Posts	Posted 03/31/2019 8:08 pm My sources are my eyes. If I see a coin or gold bar I think is counterfeit, I just do a side by side comparison with a known genuine coin. If I can't see what I think is 100% evidence that it is counterfeit, I don't report it. Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 04/01/2019 12:46 pm Look at the obv a little closer, we have an 1803 spiked chin, and the reverse is from 1804 C-6 either Breen stage III or IV. Quote: I used the reverse as a reference in reporting this listing. There are several distinctive differences. The serifs on the copy is different. The spacing between the leaves and copy is different. The 200 is larger. Here is what I am referring to. Question, did you compare it to all four dies used in 1803 or just C-3? All four reverse dies are different. When comparing an suspect early date coin to a known genuine, you HAVE to check out all of the dies for the year. If you condemn a coin simply because it doesn't match one known genuine example you could very easily condemn a completely genuine coin that happens to come from a different die. Report this Post to the Staff
johnjkedel Pillar of the Community United States 594 Posts	Posted 04/01/2019 3:22 pm I posted this thread - yes I compared all 4 varieties.. AND yes you are quite right about the obverse spiked chin markings - faint but there. Report this Post to the Staff
JimmyD Bedrock of the Community Canada 21593 Posts	Posted 04/01/2019 4:55 pm condor101 I can appreciate your concern as this is your area of expertise. Yes, I realize that there are 4 varieties (Cohen C1,2,3,4) but sometimes you don't have to compare to all varieties if there is enough evidence on the counterfeit coin that it is only necessary to compare it with one genuine coin. On the coin in question, the date does not match either of the two known dates. On the reverse, the copy has wrong style serifs. (This is common on Chinese counterfeits.) So it didn't matter which variety I compared it too. I just marked the other discrepencies for the benefit of ebay who want side by side comparisons as proof before they will remove the listing. As I stated previously I don't report a counterfeit unless I am 100% sure. I would rather not report than take a chance Over the 3 years or so of reporting counterfeits on this Forum, I have reported well over a thousand without as far as my knowledge had a report come back from ebay as being wrong. Hope this explains my side of how I go about reporting counterfeits. Edited by JimmyD 04/01/2019 6:17 pm Report this Post to the Staff
llewellin Pillar of the Community United States 1005 Posts	Posted 04/01/2019 5:42 pm I don't look at details so much as the general appearance - this can screen out most fakes but definite determination goes to those with actual expertise. That being said this coin looks fake, if I had to state confidence I'd say >95%, wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole Report this Post to the Staff
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