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Prime Example Of A Counterstamp Elevating A Coin's Value ....

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Here's an 1878-S Trade $1 that realized $737 in a recent ebay auction. Note that, in addition to the counterstamp, it has some rim dings. [https://www.ebay.com/itm/1878s-Trad...ig_cvip=true][/url]

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It appears to me that the counterstamp elevated the value, for a few bidders, at least, some five fold or more! Personally, I valued it between $400-$500.

Sure, the counterstamp damaged the coin, but it added history and mystery to the piece; and, therein rests the value for many collectors. When this coin was stamped, it wasn't legal tender. It did retain specie silver value though; and, managed to avoid a smith's melting pot.

Over the years, I've encountered many a collector who turned his nose up at counterstamps, saying they're naught but damaged coins. Agreed, that is true for many, being those stamped with random numbers, random letters and such. Still, there exists a large percentage of counterstamps that have a story to tell.

In whose hands were these stamped coins held? When, where and why were they stamped? What purpose did they serve? Given some study, many of these questions can be answered. The good news for those who pursue these mysteries is that information in cyberspace is continually growing.


Here are notes on Onderdonk, lifted from my database ....

THIS IS A VERY UNUSUAL NAME. ONE ROBERT ONDERDONK IS LISTED IN 1859, HAVING A HOTEL AT 407 GRAND STREET IN NY CITY. HE'S LISTED IN AN 1867 DIRECTORY, SELLING LIQUOR, AT THE HOTEL ADDRESS. ROBERT IS LISTED IN GOULDING'S 1877 CITY DIRECTORY AS AN AGENT (PATENT?), LIVING AT 405 GRAND. HE HAD EXHIBITED HIS LEMON SQUEEZER IN MECHANICS HALL AT THE NY STATE FAIR IN 1879. IN JANUARY OF 1880, ROBERT SUED FOR AN INFRINGEMENT ON HIS LEMON SQUEEZER PATENT. THE CASE WAS INITIALLY DECIDED IN ROBERT'S FAVOR, BUT A SECOND MOTION IN JULY OF 1880 WAS DENIED AS THE DEVICE WAS DEEMED DIFFERENT FROM THAT ORIGINALLY PATENTED BY JOHN FANNING IN JULY OF 1879, PATENT #217,519. HE ALSO CLAIMED PATENT #52,710 FOR AN APPLE SLICER IN 1866; THIS, PER THE SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN. IN 1868 IT IS RECORDED THAT HE WAS INVOLVED IN THE PATENT OF A VARIETY OF KITCHEN UTENSILS LIKE AN ICE PICK, APPLE CORER, AND BREAST DRILL. IN THE 1877 NY CITY DIRECTORY, HE IS LISTED AS HAVING A BILLIARDS HALL AT 608 6TH AVE. THE HARRIS BOOK ON NY SCRIP LISTS SOME OF ONDERDONK'S SCRIP. AN 1878-S TRADE $1 WITH THIS C/S SOLD FOR $737 IN 2019.


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There are about six coins, bearing Onderdonk's counterstamp, that have as yet been published. The 1878-S Trade $1 is, so far, the latest date. This issue was listed by Brunk and assigned catalog # O-89.

Below is pictured an 1874 Shield nickel, bearing Onderdonk's mark. I doubt that it would realize nearly as much at auction, as did the Trade dollar. Higher denomination and higher grade, counterstamped host coins tend to elicit greater demand.

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 Posted 03/30/2019  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting.
I was lucky enough to buy and, later sell an attributable love token. It was, as you mention, regarded as a damaged coin by the entity that sold it to me, and as a piece of history by the entity that bought it from me.
Wasn't $100s of dollars, but the idea was the same.
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Cool, I really need to get my own copy of Brunk's Counterstamp book. I've borrowed a copy a couple of times, there are so many counterstamps that aren't listed, I think about half of mine were not listed. I've heard there is some interest in making a second or updated edition.
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Thanks ExoGuy. Entertaining and educational thread.
Check out my counterstamped Lincoln Cent collection:
http://goccf.com/t/303507
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 Posted 03/31/2019  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe the buyers didn't notice that damage.
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Good to see you fellas are appreciating a worthy counterstamp.


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Maybe the buyers didn't notice that damage.


.... @ Carl - Our coins are damaged, not our brains!
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 Posted 03/31/2019  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ironhorse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wish that a fraction of my counterstamp collection had a backstory to them like that example.
Like many, it's seems I have more in need of research than ones that have been attributed to a maker/issuer.
This is a great subject, and a good read!
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With a name like Onderdonk it had to be the best.

I collect pre-prohibition shot glasses. The bizarre/clever brands and owners are a lot of what attract my interest. Vim Rye. Helmet. Bowler's Club. Elk Tooth. Palm of Kentucky. Old Hoss Pony. One of the more expensive of these is the Royal Stag, partly for the picture of the stag and partly for the owner Bullwinkle. One of his descendents, an Oakland car dealer, was the inspiration for the cartoon moose.

Elk teeth are a collectable in their own right....one thing leads to another....
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Now I have to go look at Elk teeth collectibles as I had no idea.
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I wish that a fraction of my counterstamp collection had a backstory to them like that example.


@ironhorse .... Doubtless, some of your counterstamps do have a backstory. I've been able to attribute hundreds of stamped coins over the years. The more information that migrates online, the more my batting average has climbed. If you look at my previous posts, you'll see some of the pieces I've been able to attribute.

For a few years now, I've been writing a series of articles for NTCA, the National Token Collectors' Assn. One article that will soon be published is about a counterstamp that I've wanted to attribute for some twenty years. It's the SAGE'S CANDY COIN c/s that's only seen on coins dated 1874. One of my main goals in writing this series of Punchlines articles is to encourage other collectors by giving them insight and providing resources for attributing counterstamps.

NTCA's journal archives for Talkin' Tokens can be accessed online by members. Dues amount to $18 a year, and there are other benefits to joining; for example, auctions and classified ads.
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to ExoGuy...allow me to rephrase...I wish I had researched more of the back story to more of my counterstamps...

my hats off to you for reaching out to the other posters here to get more interest stirring, I for one am now motivated to cracking a book or reaching out to others to find that info I'm missing about my finds
I appreciate the effort you put into your research...continued success to you!
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Thanks, ironhorse. There are many Canadian counterstamps begging attribution, as well. Best wishes in your pursuits.
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