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1909 VDB LWC Possible New DDO Found

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Alright, this one might be a stretch, but this coin does have minor Class VI-esque spikes and slight extra thickness on IGWT that is not on normal 1909 VDB cents.

It is very minor but considering how WDDO-003 is a listed DDO, which even I have trouble seeing the doubling, this has a chance (assuming this is hub doubling).

Normally I don't buy coins that aren't an error or variety. At the time, this was an exception. I bought it because of the crazy woodgrain texture and the possibility of it being a low MS grade, which would be worth much more than what I paid for (I paid around $5-$7). I thought I would be able to remove the spots and corrosion with acetone and verdicare. The spots wouldn't budge so I threw it into the bottom of a drawer where I put most of my coins to look at later among the failed ebay cherrypicks and random coins found in change.

Today I decided it was best to take everything out and reorganize. I rediscovered this coin.

I put it under the scope and noticed the odd spikes on the tops of the two Ts in TRUST and what seems like slight extra thickness. Comparing it to PCGS images of normal coins it is thicker than usual and the spikes are highly unusual.

What do you think? I'm not confident in saying whether or not is a DDO, I will probably send this to Wexler soon depending on the response here.

Comparison to PCGS images:
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Spikes:
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And the rest:
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Nice coin Tanman2001.
I do like the colors and up close reminds me of camo.
Those pics might be the best on this forum.
As for DDO... I couldn't see anything. Sometimes for identification got to go with... COIN IN HAND.

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 Posted 04/06/2019  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks pretty normal to me.
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Im useless tanman - Hmmmm interesting though very interesting.
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Two no's so far... I haven't been able to look at any high grade 1909's in hand so I'm not familiar with the minute differences from die to die, learning experience for me.

Thanks for the input.
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 Posted 04/06/2019  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see what you are pointing out. If those are diagnostics of a DDO, then yes, I guess it is. I also see thicker than normal lettering.
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Tanman, it looks like some flattening of the devises has happened. That may be what has caused the to have the distended Doubled look.
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I'm seeing a mild DDO here. Not sure it's of listable strength but unless there is a master die doubling I am unaware of this one looks good to me and worth sending in.
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The carbon spots will really drop the value of your coin. (and they will continue to show up more later on)
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Good eye.
As I read your description of the T's of TRUST, I expected to see a later die state coin putting the "Bulls Horns" on them. But this doesn't appear to be a later die state coin.

Is your comparison image in the collage from a VDB coin as well? The 2 TRUSTS do look different like you said. But why are the legs of U thicker but not the base? This seems opposite of normal class 6 doubling.
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