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Hi everyone, taking back an old work of mine, I'm actually struggling with two Parthian coins. Before going any further with them, I would love to have confirmation or contradiction on their attribution. First one   This is an AR drachma, 3.73g., 19.91 mm, 12h To me, it seems to be the Sellwood 57.13 and so a Phraataces mint of Ecbatana, but I'm unsure. Second one I can't relate it to a ruler with certainity   This still is an AR Drachma, 3.6g., 18.84 mm, 12h. I feel it close to the Sellwood 33.3 but I'm also unusure and even then, I read three possibilities of attribution for this coin: Gotarzes (Sellwood), Sinatrukes (Assar 2006), and Phraates III (Simonetta 2009). A big thanks for those who would want to help me in this matter  |
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Pillar of the Community
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 Finger...BobL is the expert on these coins he'll be along soon (GMT) In the meantime... 1st coin maybe Type 57.13 - Phraataces 2nd coin maybe Type 33 - Gotarzes I...Really not sure on this though? Bob will be able to identify for sure.... |
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As Bob's warmup act (ha!), I would agree with Palouche. The first coin does indeed appear to be Phraataces, Sellwood type 57.13 and the second coin has been identified as either a Gotarzes I or more recently as a Sinatruces (93-69 BCE) by Assar. However, I believe most collectors still classify this coin as a Gotarzes I (91-87 BCE); Sellwood #33.4? The horn is worn off the tiara.
Steve S.
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to the community As the others have said BobL is our expert in this series having written several published articles and amassing an impressive collection. I'm sure he will be alone to comment. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Morning, all. Good call on the i.d.'s.:
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Phraataces
Sellwood 57.13
Possible fouree? Looks like a base metal core is exposed in a few spots on the reverse.
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Gotarzes I (Sellwood); Sinatruces (Assar)
Sellwood 33.3, mint: Rhagae
(Steve, I see the OP coin as having Sellwood's tiara 1 and legend 2 - thus I'd call it an S.33.3 rather than 33.4)
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New Member
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Thanks everyone, and big thanks to BobL! Btw how do you know the second coin is from Rhagai?
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United States
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I agree! Thanks Bob.
Steve S.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Btw how do you know the second coin is from Rhagai? That's based on David Sellwood's research and attribution. |
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Phraataces
Sellwood 57.13
Possible fouree? Looks like a base metal core is exposed in a few spots on the reverse. Anyone have any concerns on the green colouring in the exposed areas..Maybe BD? |
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Pillar of the Community
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Maybe BD? Could be... |
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Anyone have any concerns on the green colouring in the exposed areas..Maybe BD? I agree with Bob L's assessment. The first coin appears to be a fourrée with active corrosion of the copper core (BD or similar reaction) blistering through the silver plate in several spots. Edited by Kushanshah
06/04/2019 10:06 pm
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New Member
France
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How didn't know that, still have a lot to learn about fourees. Thanks!!
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New Member
France
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One second thought: I don"t know much about forgeries so would this coin be a forgery from Parthian time or a modern one? (And what's BD by the way?). Thanks!
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I don"t know much about forgeries so would this coin be a forgery from Parthian time or a modern one? (And what's BD by the way?). Finger, the coin is almost certainly ancient. Whether it is a unofficial forgery, or an official issue, is unclear. We don't know much about Parthian fourees. It's possible that some may have been sanctioned and produced at official Parthian mints, but we don't know. One theory (I don't subscribe to it, necessarily) is that the Parthians sometimes struck their drachms on top of Roman denarii, and if those denarii happened to be fourees, then you'd end up with Parthian fouree drachms. The problem is that none of the Parthian fourees I've seen had any obvious signs of over-striking. In any event, I believe that your coin is a genuine ancient fouree drachm. Official issues of the Sellwood 57.13's were minted at Ecbatana. Since it is unclear whether this coin was official or not, or whether it was produced at that mint (despite having the Ecbatana mintmark under the bow), I would use a question mark when cataloging it: "Ecbatana mint?". BD = Bronze disease. Palouche and Kushanshah are referring to the tiny green spots. I don't know if those spots are active bronze disease or potentially stable verdigris. If they are powdery, then they are likely BD. If hard, probably verdigris. Edited by Kamnaskires
06/19/2019 1:54 pm
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