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Is This A Modern Cast Volusian Uberitas? 21 MM, 4.57 Grams

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I don't know the series well enough. The reverse looks pretty bad of course.
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Weight not the best indicator to determine authenticity with antoninianii.
A search of the range of weights of antoninianii for a single emperor on 'Vcoins' will show this up.

Sometimes, it is very difficult to determine the difference between casting bubble pits and corrosion pits, from on screen pictures.

Perhaps a better way is to look into radial flan cracks, with a 10x loupe, looking for tensile metal distress.

Pressure die casting is capable of eliminating almost all casting bubbles, as even a cursory inspection of the surface a die cast metal toy will reveal.


With this coin, style is OK, but there is no radial flan cracks to inspect, and the detail of the metal surface in and around the lettering looks rather 'mushy'. Style is much more easily copied with casting, as opposed to striking a copy from dies. The surface of the metal between the cornucopia and the body looks very suggestive of casting.

Re examine these areas with a 10x or more powerful loupe, and your own opinion should firm up.
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Interesting and unlisted by Cohen, RSC, or RIC VOL. IV PART III for the Antioch mint, in which Volusian on p186 #237*(c) is rated Rare but lacks the reverse misspelled variation of VDERITAS (with D instead of B), a feature seen on the senior emperor Trebonianus Gallus's coin #92* variety noted on p169 and shown as plate 13 #20. Both are in the Budapest collection, which could be a good choice for close comparison. The plate shows a sharp misspelled reverse with a single cornucopia, not the doubled cornucopiae shown on the present example, which also appears to replace shows a reverse die-crack like line from the top right of the T to near the upper left of the A. The weak reverse here could indicate Also, the exergual mint mark appears to differ (VI? here vs. dots in RIC), and the edge above shows lines that may reveal the manufacturing method. An accurate specific gravity could be revealing even if not definitive. In general, the chance of a having rarity that was chosen for counterfeiting in ancient times is small, and a modern origin of this piece must be seriously considered.
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IMO the overall appearance looks cast. The surface is porous and the strike is weak and mushy, and the edge looks filed. I don't believe it's genuine.
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Thanks everyone! To the black box it goes...
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I am having a think about the edge pictures.
A possible way that can result in what we can see, is by filing the edges, then removing the filing marks by hammering onto a rough surface.
I note that in the third picture of the edge, there appears to be what remains of a casting join, not completely removed, and hammered over, using a roughened surface.
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