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What may have caused the groove around the reverse? It is deep and goes completely around. The coin is an odd color for the year, and is slightly heavier than the norm, although not as heavy as a copper coin. Any thoughts? Thanks Mike Question answered, see below Thank you      Edited by Duckhawk
09/06/2008 8:25 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Misaligned die at strike? I had the same question on one of mine a month back and that seemed to be the general consensus.
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That's interesting.  Does the reverse appear to you to be a separate piece that's machined and stuck into the coin? Maybe a machine simply cut a groove in the back? just guesses here.... |
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I thought it may have to do with the upset process as the edge is extra wide. Also look at the second 9, there is not much of it.
Mike
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On the reverse, does the second, inner raised line intrude on any of the struck letters? That might suggest when it happened.
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First see how the obverse and reverse line up. Are they oriented correctly with one side being upside down vs. the other. That line around the edge makes me think of a manufactured Magician's coin. While I can't say for sure on this one yet, it may be one that has a shaved dime added to a shaved reverse made to fit inside a shell made from a hollowed out obverse. |
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 I also think it was machined, Could be a dime or foreign coin inside. How much does it weigh? |
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Actually, I've seen similar circular ridges just inside the rim in a variety of Euro coins. As best as I can tell, they represent an unusual form of die deformation. Whether your coin manifests the same phenomenon or whether it just looks the same, I can't tell. You say it's a bit heavier than a normal cent. Exactly how much does it weigh?
Error coin writer and researcher.
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09/05/2008 11:22 pm
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There is about a 15 to 20 degree rotation. At this point I do not have a proper scale, only a homemade comparison scale. I will be picking up a scale this weekend and will post the results.
Thanks for the input.
Mike
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Sounds like a fake rotated die coin. Made the same way as a Magicians coin, hollow shell and a thinned down reverse that is put into the shell to look like a rotated die error. Usually though the put the insert in with more rotation than that. Usually 180 degrees. I know Zincolns have a very dull ring, but how does the ring on this one compare to a normal Zincoln? Edited by Conder101
09/06/2008 11:22 am
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The rotation indicates to me that the coin will come apart if you fiddle with it enough. That was why I asked that. Very seldom does a circulated " Magician's coin" turn up aligned properly with respect to the obverse and the reverse. People aren't that careful about putting them back together. It can be as suggested, an attempt at faking a rotated die error...or it more likely is one like the one I described earlier. The piece in the "shell" will have something on the other side like a part of a dime or a tooled obverse so that the coin might look like a two headed coin when the insert is flipped. The fact that there is rotation is the dead giveaway. You won't really hurt it...try to open it up. Bill |
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Bill you nailed this one. It took a while but it sure did open up. Here are some photos of it. Thanks again Mike    |
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