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Pillar of the Community
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Your first coin is almost certainly Byzantine, with the M on the reverse. I can't find an exact match.
Your second coin is almost certainly beyond positive ID.
Your third coin is almost certainly Indian, and I cannot ID those.
Hopefully someone else can be more helpful, I just wanted to give you some direction to search.
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Big Silver nailed all three areas. The Byzantine has been cut nearly in half from a full coin.
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Pillar of the Community
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I suspect coin 2 is the remains of a button - not a coin at all.
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Especially around the 7th-8th centuries, it was common practice for the Byzantines to overstrike and/or hack up their predecessors' coins to stretch the monetary supply further. This one is well beyond my ability to attribute, but I think you're looking at the time of Heraclius or later.
Second I agree is a button.
Third I suspect is an Ottoman Akce, maybe 1700s? If not, it is something similar; I don't think it's Indian.
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I agree with the IDs posted so far.
This is a good example of why we prefer to have one coin per topic, rather thtan a bunch of coins in the same thread. We've got one ancient coin, one world coin, and one probable-exonumia. I'll move it to the Ancients subforum for now, in the hopes of getting a better ID on that Byzantine one.
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I am not disagreeing with anyone here, please don't think I am. Looking at that second one, I don't see any evidence of a shank. I have pulled many a button out of the ground (and owned many others) and it is usually pretty easy to see where a shank was located. This is of course United States colonial period to the present. Very old buttons (say medieval period and older might be different). It seems to have a pattern on both sides also. I know that some buttons also did.
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The first coin started out as a Byzantine Folles, but appears to have been clipped and restruck. This is seen on example of Arab-Byzantine coins of the 7th century.
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I can shed some light on the Byzantine, perhaps, before it was hacked up.
Heraclius / Heraclius Constantine. No RY, but would date between 610-641.
AE follis. Constantinople, Officina Delta (?). Sear 810 (big surprise..)
The first picture (reverse) needs to be rotated about 120 deg CCW.
ANNO to left large M; cross above, officina mark below; CON in exergue. Regnal year obliterated.
The second picture (obverse) needs to be rotated about 120 deg. CW.
Heraclius on left, in military dress, long-bearded and moustached, holding long cross in left hand / Heraclius Constantine on right, short-bearded, in chlamys, holding globus cruciger in left hand / both standing facing.
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The small silver coin possibly an AR Sultans of Delhi jital. I think it is 180 deg rotated. Kushanshah is one of the experts on these. If the date is not off the flan it might be able to be AH-dated.
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The middle, I think, is a snap button cover with the back half gone. If you rotate it about 45 deg CCW it looks like a Roman numeral VI, but if rotated CW it looks like an M monogram; the back edges show a slight concavity, as would be expected if it was a button cover, and traces of a chain, vines, or scrollwork motif that is probably the reverse side of the obverse stamping, which has been mostly obliterated by rust. Another option might be a monogrammed seal face, as used with sealing wax stamps, or even a small weight of some kind.
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Edited by Kushanshah
07/20/2019 01:22 am
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I tend to think coin #1 is an official follis of Heraclius struck at Constantinople on half of an earlier, larger follis. This is a class that was copied in Syria during the early Arab period and it can sometimes be difficult to distinguish between crude official coins and better imitations. The style here is generally reasonable and I don't see any obvious differences to which I can point and say "aha!". Here is another example of the same type struck on a halved earlier coin: https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=211342Edited by Kushanshah
07/20/2019 01:48 am
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Thank you for your feedback, very helpful for a novice  |
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