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 Posted 02/07/2020  07:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This one is a hemidrachm of Antoninus Pius
While I am no expert on the Alexandrian bronzes I do know they tend to be pricey
Much more so than the sestertii
You can generally expect to pay at least double (or quadruple !) what a similar Roman Imperial would cost

Very nice
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 Posted 02/07/2020  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful coins, Paul! If I wasn't spread so thin already, I'd be seriously tempted to go after these beautiful early Alexandrian AE's too!

Besides Alexandria, which provincials are you hoping to get, or are you still undecided?

Also don't forget that this "anonymous" quadrans exist. People claim the obverse is Jupiter/Zeus, but come on....

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 Posted 02/07/2020  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks @FVRIVS RVFVS....It was expensive, at least for me...Paid $200 but looking around was an ok price..

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This one is a hemidrachm of Antoninus Pius

Now I'm even more confused....?

wildwinds has the Dattari 2933 Identified as a Drachm?...As do all other attributions of this coin type that I've found....What makes you think its a Hemidrachm?
All info related to Drachms that I've been able to find seems to relate it to silver weight and I can't seem to find the bronze equivalent?.....


Thanks @Finn235.....Steve I agree that these early Alexandrian coins are really interesting especially the reverse depictions...

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Besides Alexandria, which provincials are you hoping to get, or are you still undecided?

Not sure, just going to pick up a few that appeal....Any ideas?

Just as a side note....Interesting the roots of the word Drachm...It derives from a Greek verb basically meaning 'grasp' or a 'handful'...So a Drachma was fundamentally a handful of 6 oboloi. Oboloi were metal sticks and this system of currency was used as early as 1100 BC.....Paul
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 Posted 02/08/2020  07:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No your not confused
I stand corrected
The hemidrachm is the 1/2 so you are correct
The hemi would fall into the 14 gram area

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 Posted 02/08/2020  1:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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No your not confused

That's good news, I thought I was missing something...Thanks
Glad you like the new coin...

Does anyone know the breakdown of bronze denominations accredited to Antoninus Pius?
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 Posted 04/17/2020  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's the latest addition to the AP set one that I've been hanging out for..

Does anyone know what the significance of Libertas is on this coin ?

Antoninus Pius. 138-161 AD. AE Dupondius (11.76 gm, 25.3mm). Rome mint. Struck 154-155 AD.
Obv.. ANTONINVS AVG PIVS P P TR P XVIII, radiate head right.
Rev.. LIBERTAS COS IIII / S - C, Libertas with pileus and sceptre standing left.
RIC 933....BMC 1469. gVF.
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And here they are together...
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 Posted 04/17/2020  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Check Victor's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Victor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Does anyone know what the significance of Libertas is on this coin ?


I don't think that it references anything specific, but rather references the generous nature of the Emperor, further reinforced by types like INDVLGENTIA and very specifically with scenes from LIBERALITAS reverse. RIC notes this type, along with INDVLGENTIA, first appearing in A.D. 152- 153 -- "the last two probably referring to some Imperial concession." (RIC III pg 11)
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 Posted 04/18/2020  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the reply Victor

The engraver of this die was really skilled.
The close up detail is pretty amazing.
The Pileus, Libertas head and the profile of the emperor
Probably my favourite bronze at the moment...

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 Posted 04/18/2020  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful coin, Paul, with great details. Congrats.
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 Posted 04/18/2020  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Quintillius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Palouche
Wow that hair is really detailed. I like it.

Antoninus Pius is one of my favourite emperors too!
I have no bronze coin of him, but here's my denarius:

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but here's my denarius


The work of another very talented engraver. That's quite a portrait.

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Thanks Bob and Quintillius.....

To the forum Quintillius and what a wonderful looking RIC 188.

I agree with Bob lovely detail thanks for sharing....Paul
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 Posted 04/21/2020  1:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice looking group of AP coins!

Here is an AP budget sestertius that has been siting on my desk for months, it feels nice in hand so just like to pick it up and check it out every now and again.

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Antoninus Pius. AD 138-161. Æ Sestertius

O: laureate and draped bust right R: ROMAE AETERNAE, decastyle temple; S C in ex. 32 mm, 23.6 g.
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 Posted 04/24/2020  05:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Chris...

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it feels nice in hand so just like to pick it up and check it out every now and again.

Know exactly where your coming from...I only started collecting the big bronzes last year and when you hold them in your hand its a big wow!...Problem is they're very addictive...
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 Posted 04/24/2020  07:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They feel like, and look like a piece of money !
So do Athenian tetradrachms and Coronet Double Eagles.
Tactile means something.

Generally speaking, Roman first brass sestertii get a better price if Fine, than denarii in VF do.
The bigger the coin, the more sensitive to circulation wear, and thus scarcer for the same grade.
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