Canadian 10 Cents 1858 8 Over 5 - Need Help With Identification

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yontan Valued Member United States 292 Posts	Posted 08/04/2019 10:51 am I am posting pictures of an 1858 , 8 over 5 10 cent coin. I sent it in for certification, and it was returned as a normal 1858. I thought the obverse diagnostics for the overdate were a doubled D in DEI, and a doubled A in CANADA. Is it possible to have a coin with both of the doubled letters on the obverse, but NOT be the 8 over 5 on the reverse? None of the literature I have discusses that possibility. Help. * Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. * Report this Post to the Staff

Sid Belzberg Valued Member Canada 50 Posts	Posted 08/04/2019 11:57 am It looks to me like an oversight on the part of the certification company. I would resubmit with a note. Report this Post to the Staff
DBM Pillar of the Community Canada 9870 Posts	Posted 08/04/2019 11:58 am Quote: Is it possible to have a coin with both of the doubled letters on the obverse, but NOT be the 8 over 5 on the reverse? Much more than possible. It's probable. As a rule dies were not replaced at the same time, the anvil (usually obverse)die outlasts the hammer die and more often than not is paired with more than one reverse. "Dipping" is not considered cleaning... -from PCGS website Edited by DBM 08/04/2019 12:02 pm Report this Post to the Staff
yontan Valued Member United States 292 Posts	Posted 08/04/2019 1:23 pm Thanks to both of you. DBM I agree, but wouldn't the variety be mentioned somewhere in the literature? The only mention "seems to be " as a diagnostic for the 8 over 5 . Report this Post to the Staff
TerryT Pillar of the Community Canada 823 Posts	Posted 08/05/2019 01:36 am I seem to remember reading an old post on another site that a certain die crack on the reverse is a marker for the 8/5. Which exact one, I do not know. It was posted by a well-known expert who didn't want to reveal where it was. The little ears on the 8 look similar but different, should be pointy. I'd suggest trolling coin sites on the net to see any others that may have the same cracks as yours to verify if any are 8/5, and where that darn crack really is. I'm sure there are a bunch of members who know already but I wouldn't spill the secret either. Looks like a RP 5, but not the 1, as in the Charlton photo. I got 2 on ebay with a RP A and very slightly RP D, with a reverse die crack from the second denticle left of the bow on the crown down to the fleur-de-lys, but they don't have the 8/5. I didn't pay much but they just turned out to be a repunched variety that isn't in demand. If Edited by TerryT 08/05/2019 01:38 am Report this Post to the Staff
DBM Pillar of the Community Canada 9870 Posts	Posted 08/05/2019 10:48 am Quote: but wouldn't the variety be mentioned somewhere in the literature? listed here http://coinsandcanada.com/coins-pri...ts-1858-1901 "Dipping" is not considered cleaning... -from PCGS website Report this Post to the Staff
yontan Valued Member United States 292 Posts	Posted 08/05/2019 3:46 pm Thanks to all of you. I finally got my answers, so nothing more is necessary. appreciate your helping me. Bill. Report this Post to the Staff
Zonad Pillar of the Community Canada 1472 Posts	Posted 08/07/2019 12:22 pm not a 8/5. Report this Post to the Staff
canadian-varieties Pillar of the Community Canada 1442 Posts	Posted 08/08/2019 12:57 am Not an 8/5. Some lovely pictures here: https://www.PCGS.com/valueview/vict...=31328&h=pop Report this Post to the Staff
okiecoiner Pillar of the Community Canada 5594 Posts	Posted 08/08/2019 08:45 am Until I looked at the PCGS photos, I never knew that the 6/5 was really just an extended die crack that has chipped, and not an 8 over 5 repunch Report this Post to the Staff
Zonad Pillar of the Community Canada 1472 Posts	Posted 08/11/2019 12:15 pm Okiey, it is a 8/5 and coincidence that the crack goes to it. Or perhaps the overpunch was a try to stop the crack? Report this Post to the Staff
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