Understood Carl. I do know that there are a number of folks out there that do not like toning, more seasoned coin folks, and especially as there is so much AT floating around. That was my initial question on these, particularly the second. But now believe they are genuine. But as T-Bop said, he is in your camp, but that first one I posted is an eye catcher, and is indeed my favorite. I am hoping for a good grade, though the strike, as I think moxking noted in another thread, is lacking to pass anything more than a MS66. Though some areas are excellent.
I will say though, that the first one, with that iridescent look, when all things considered, it looks like it was meant to be that way, and screams I need to be displayed. I know, that still does not convince the tone disliking folks. I think too much tone does start hitting a point where it takes away the eye appeal. Goes negative really. But it is for the eye of the beholder to decide, as long as it's authentic. I do think this coin, if graded well, can demand a nice premium if the buyer has to have it. Or needs for their collection and money is not an issue. I am not talking about huge money. Hundreds probably. Not thousands. But I have seen in my limited time at this adventure (~18 months), coins sell for ridiculous amounts, and a grade that just makes you scratch your head, though I am not an expert by any means, and the grade could reflect stuff I know nothing about. I just hope I don't get a tone hating grader. :-)
Anyway...enough of my amateur ranting. Appreciate all comments. Thx