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Peace Medal Rolls (And Bison)

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 Posted 09/19/2008  01:35 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add DNA to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
The 'greysheet' price of Uncirculated Peace Medal nickel rolls (vs. the uncirc. rolls of the other three Westward Journey designs) just amazes me.

No one really seems to know why...

I think it's because someone wrote a guide on ebay claiming that the Peace Medal nickels were the "key" to the W.J. series...

All the more incentive for me to buy a few more Mint-wrapped rolls of "the other three"....

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The funny thing is, it's the Bison that you find the least of in circulation, by far! The only 'nice' Bison nickel that I've found in 2008 was in a casino bucketful, which also yielded a 1943-S wartime nickel. That's pretty bad if your odds of finding a Bison in circulation are now 'equivalent to' finding a wartime nickel in circulation...

The five other Bison I've found from circulation in 2008 look like they've been in circulation for 20-50 years. One of them even had that nasty green surface corrosion that you usually see only on old corroded pennies....

Compare that to the Peace Medal, just this week I've found four from circulation. Two are AU, with lots of luster and nice cartwheel effect, the other two are VF and are in better shape than all of the Keelboats and Ocean Views that I've seen so far in 2008 circulation.

You would think that if the public is hoarding the Bison the most, that the rolls of the Bisons would be the highest priced of the series in the greysheet - Meanwhile, people are paying a big premium for rolls of Peace Medal nickels, while leaving very nice single P.M. nickels in circulation... This is apparently so that they can hoard Bison nickels from circulation instead, even though BU rolls of those are barely above face value!
(BTW, I've now amassed a roll of very sharp-looking 'AU' Peace Medal nickels from circulation, one at a time, for 5¢ each)

Yeah yeah, I know, the 'classic' (1938-2003) Jefferson nickel crowd will say the W.J. series is too "high mintage" to be 'collectible' (even though 2,815,919,922 1964-dated nickels alone were minted, and <how many?gt; billions total of the same obverse/reverse design were made for 65 years straight?!).

It does seem like at least 25%-30% of the Bison mintage has been hoarded. If one-fifth of one-percent of the U.S. population (610,000 people) each had ten 40 ct. rolls of Bison nickels, that would be 244,000,000 coins total, or 26% of the total mintage (936,000,000)! The amount would be the same if one percent of the U.S. population had two rolls each, for another example...

This forum has a few tales of members looking a long time for 'common-date' high-mintage coins, so high mintage and a recent date of a particular coin is certainly no guarantee that you can actually find one in circulation (especially in VF+ condition!).
At least with the Bison, hoarding from circulation is quite evidently the reason why so many people can't 'find' one!

So, I'll keep saving W.J. nickels, even though I don't know why...
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I actually get peace metal nickels the least in circulation or even in a nickel hunt!
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I think the reason why the Peace Medal nickels UNC rolls sell for more is an assumption that fewer rolls were hoarded and made it into circulation then compared to the rest of the Westward Journey series.

You have to remember that as these nickels were coming out, there really wasn't a huge push of these for the general public to know about them. And the State Quarter were in full swing.
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Thanks, onejinx! The "fewer rolls hoarded" (thus more of the mintage entered circulation) explanation would make some sense...

My favorite coin shop has dozens of Peace Medal P & D rolls, which are just sitting there because of the high price, while the rolls of the other three seem to be selling fairly quickly.

Definitely, the W.J. series has slipped under much of the general public's radar. Just last Tuesday, a guy at the checkout line I was at got his change, then said "Look at that, there's a boat on my nickel!" (Yes, I talked to him and explain what it was!) That may explain why I still get some sharp-looking W.J. nickels in my change.
(Bisons excluded)

The cashiers hoarding State Quarters for their grandchildrens' coin folders don't even notice the W.J. nickels...

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 Posted 09/19/2008  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinblogger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do you really think that the W.J. nickels will go up in value?
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 Posted 09/19/2008  10:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Do you really think that the W.J. nickels will go up in value?" coinblogger

For Uncirculated Rolls of Peace Medal nickels, they already have! (as per CDN Greysheet 'bid/ask' price lists)

Of course, "over the long term" is the much better question to ask. A change in the circulating 5¢ coin's composition (presumably to a steel core) would have an effect on Uncirculated 'cupronickel' 5¢ roll prices, but I don't think 'cupronickel' coins would disappear from circulation overnight 'a la 1964' (there's still tons of pre-1982 copper cents circulating!)

A change in 5¢ coin composition would mean that W.J. nickels that are hoarded would be more likely to stay hoarded for the long term. This condition would elevate prices (gradually) as time went on.

I'm thinking that Peace Medal rolls will be much closer to the price of the rolls of the other three types, 20+ years from now (whatever their price range will be). Right now in the Greysheet, they're more than double the price of the lower-mintage Keelboat rolls, and I just don't think that this will be the case for the long term.

I'm not exactly planning to retire on W.J. nickels , but they are at least a lot less common than the State Quarters, and the general public that pretty much ignored the W.J. nickels when they were new might develop an increased interest in them if the circulating 5¢ coin changes to a steel core.

Remember, if you went back to 1900 and told people to save Morgans, they'd have thought you were out of your mind, what with all those millions of them sitting around unwanted in bank vaults at that time!

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Look at the 04 mint set prices, silly high, compared to related yrs. I personally did hoard rolls of Peace nickels along with the other 04 and 05's. I can't say that I can retire just yet from potential value from nickels, but I enjoy the premium they bring. ;)
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 Posted 09/27/2008  12:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I went back for some more Mint-wrapped BU rolls, and there were two 2003 rolls (one P, one D).

The "P" was three times the price of the "D" on the Greysheet, even though the "D" nickel is lower mintage.

Now what's the reason for that?! All I can guess is that 2003 BU rolls must have only been hoarded in the Western half of the country!

Oh, well, I see a lot of Greysheet State Quarter listings where the "P" version is higher-priced even though the Denver version's mintage is lower , so this isn't just a "nickel" thing




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