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Best Method To Differentiate Between A Proof And A DCAM

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With respect to modern variety coins I assume that in general the DCAM is darker but there must be more precise ways and quicker ones to use while in a fast paced auction.

Please opine on these as well as any other types of proofs worth mentioning.
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The frosting on the designs are different:
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The reverse looks too weak on this lower coin to be a d-cam to me. But PCGS called it that.
D-Cams are stronger. What creates these. When the die is fresh, it will strike more D-Cams. As the frosting wears off the die, then they are Cameos. Eventually the cameo goes away and then they are normal proofs. On the over coins, they didn't refresh the frosting. On the newer coin (Post 1980?) they did touch up the dies. I prefer the Proofs from the 1950-1970 coins. The new frosting looks is not my favorites.

Probably the best way is to down load images from PCGS coinfacts page of the coins you are comparing it with to see what is different between a normal/cameo/Dcam looks like side by side. The more your eye studies it, the more you will know what to look for.
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Why do cameos appear black in the field?
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...cameos appear black in the field


I am pretty sure that it has something to do with the deviation of the initial refractivity originating from the index lighting. I am not aware of the actual reason this occurs unless the field curvature becomes more or less concave or convex. But if this happens to be accurate, what actually initiates the change in the field's form?

Another one with more experience in these matters should be able to provide a more definitive response.
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To my knowledge Deep Cameo(DCAM) and Cameo(Cam) are both descriptions of the appearance of coins. Proof refers to the process in which the coin was made and has nothing to do with the condition. I believe they treat modern proof coins with chemicals to achieve the frosted look, but in older proof coins(I'm not sure of when 1960's?) the frosting was not intentional, making DCAM examples much more valuable. The completely frosted devices with a strong contrast to the field is considered DCAM, Coins where the contrast is not as strong or the frosting is weak are CAM. Cameo literally is the amount of contrast and can describe coins that are not proofs if rarely. I borrowed this definition of proof from Wikipedia.

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Proof coinage refers to special early samples of a coin issue, historically made for checking the dies and for archival purposes, but nowadays often struck in greater numbers specially for coin collectors (numismatists)

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Why do cameos appear black in the field?

It doesn't have to be black just contrast. Look at this beautiful Trade dollar Best-Method-To-Differentiate-Between-A-Proof-And-A-DCAM
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Why do cameos appear black in the field?

It has to do with the lighting and angle of incidence equals angle of reflection.

Say you are taking a picture of a proof that is laying flat on a table and you have the camera directly above it shooting straight down. And your light is coming in from 3:00 at a 40 degree angle above the horizontal. The light that hits the mirror finish fields will reflect off toward 9:00 once again at a 40 degree angle above the horizontal. (Angle of incidence equals angle of reflection) But the camera is at 90 degrees so VERY LITTLE of the light that hits the fields is reflected up into the camera. (a little reaches the camera because the field isn't perfectly smooth so a little gets scattered upward) The light that hits the rough surfaces of the frosted devices though is scattered in all different directions and lot more of it gets scattered up into the lens. The large difference in the amount of light results in the large "black fields and white devices" contrast you see. As you raise the lighting angle toward the 90 degree point more and more of the light hitting the fields gets reflected into the camera and the black and white contrast disappears,
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