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I, like many other people, sold off all my $20 for $20 coins years ago to the bank for face. It has kind of bugged me ever since and I was thinking of building another set of them. Looking around online, I really don't see them very much. I saw a few completed auction lots at pretty much face, but nothing recently, especially at face. I have seen some for large markups on ebay.

Are these now hard to find or is nobody putting them up for sale because the demand is zero for them?
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face value on the entire set is like 525$, so ebay seller's have another 12-14% on top for fees, then some profit..
I have a set listed, and I am in another 30$ for the case.. the ones that are selling for face value is because people are to lazy to take them to the bank,. anyone who sells a 20$ coin for 20$ is losing 2$ at least every time.. There is still a market for the coins, It just as big as it was , when the coins where still current..
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I don't have a problem with a small markup. I am just surprised at the lack of complete sets offered. I should elaborate by complete set, I mean everything, which includes the $25, $50, $100 and $200 coins. According to the spreadsheet I made, the total face value is $2620.
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Recently tried to sell on ebay 2 of them, that supposed to be one of the rarest:

Canoe
Polar Bear

Both in cards in mint condition, sealed in sleeves like Canada Post sold years ago.
Asking price was CAD 25 + actual shipping cost.

Had no buyers. People offered $15-$18.
After more than half a year sold locally.
Canoe - CAD 25
Polar Bear - CAD 20.

I think, no demand and limited supply

**Forgot to mention:
The British one, with timeless design "George and the Dragon", no one even wants. Probably many people judge XforX not by design, but by possibility to sell in the future for face value....
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There is a big difference between the RCM and Royal Mint XforX coins, The Royal Mint are demonetized.
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It's a combination of little demand, and the fees involved in selling them at most online venues.
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Are these now hard to find or is nobody putting them up for sale because the demand is zero for them?


I would not say "zero" demand for them. The correct term is "low" demand. There are plenty of them on ebay but most list or sell at slightly above issue price. Factoring in selling fees and shipping costs you barely break even or lose money. So there is no point in putting them up for sale.

I have every single one of the $20, $25, $50, $100. I have not sold a single one or return any to the bank. Must have $5000 worth of them. Too lazy to list on ebay or bring them back to the bank.

So if anyone on this forum want any coin at face value, give me a PM. I am in the Vancouver area.
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12/17/2019 10:26 pm
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Colonial Acres often has these on sale for a little above face value.
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Which banks can you take them to now a days?
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t.d. in London.
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It is ironic that these coins, the $20 for $20 / $100 for $100 are made of pure silver, yet it's the plastic polymer notes that people would prefer. If I were a betting man, and the world was in crisis and our dollar crashed, there would be a scramble on getting these coins instead of holding on to worthless plastic that has no intrinsic value! ;)
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Until the RCM try to demonetized these coins, always be worth face value, we are not as lucky as the US, the world's default currency, just about every business world wide quotes in US funds.
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@coinsplus
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and the world was in crisis

Not sure I agree... If the dollar collapsed and the world was in crisis then Silver, Gold and all PMs will be effectively useless. When you are two meals away from survival, the necessities of survival take precedence... Food, Clothing, Shelter and the means of defense will carry the premium prices. It is the old Midas conundrum. You can't eat gold or silver to survive... Chickens will be a much more valuable currency.

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we are not as lucky as the US, the world's default currency, just about every business world wide quotes in US funds

Not sure I understand. An authorized financial instrument worth $20CDN (whether a Silver coin or a paper /polymer note) will always have $20CDN in value in Canada. Over the last 10 years, the value of $1.00 CDN has ranged from $1.05 US to the current 75 cents. Every country experiences inflation where the buying power of $1 drops by a little bit each year... Different economic policies and global demand for a country's products will all factor into the mix of relative values of currencies. To a certain extent, it doesn't really matter what currency you are buy in as long as you sell in that same currency... Playing currency arbitrage is a job for speculators who are consistently on top of the markets; generally speaking if you dabble in it... you will lose.
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If you need crucial parts or supplies that are only available overseas, almost everyone Japan, Holland you name it quotes in US dollars and want payment in US. The fact that there is not any better world currency, the US benefits from being the default currency, the US with it's debt load should not be the leading currency.
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@John100

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quotes in US dollars and want payment in US
I don't share your experience. Although I am based in Canada, I work for a US based multinational services company and every customer we have wants to pay in their local currency and every supplier we have wants paid in their local currency. In the Netherlands, folks want to pay and be paid in Euros, in Abu Dhabi - Dirhams, in Australia - AUD and of course here in Canada - CAD. It may be different if you are trading in a global commodity such as Oil or Gold but most regular goods & services are transacted in local currency.

Trust me... I would prefer if everyone used a common international currency as it would make monthly P&L reconciliation soooo much easier but we are not there... yet.
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When I did coin shows, I used to accept payment in Canadian Tire money - now THAT is a currency I always need!!
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