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1972 50c With Possible Die Gouges

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 Posted 10/07/2008  7:49 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Here's a 1972 50c from a mint set which at first I considered severe post-mint damage and a loss--which would be tragic with the low mintage.

However, looking closer under my scopes, many features on these scratches appear raised above the field, and as a friend noted—there doesn't appear to be an interruption of mint luster by these marks. As pictured below, there are two groups of marks, all parallel to one another through the legends from edge-to-edge, and bounding the portrait on each side. Any thoughts as to the cause?

Following are shots from my QX5 with captions for specific details.

10X shot of one side:
1972-50c-With-Possible-Die-Gouges

A series of scratches, raised in some areas and rough elsewhere that cleanly run into the legends (arrows). If this were damage to the actual coin, I would expect gaps where the object hits the letter and skips off the field of the coin, leaving a break.
1972-50c-With-Possible-Die-Gouges

Another example of this, with some raised blobs trailing the letter:
1972-50c-With-Possible-Die-Gouges

More rough, raised surfaces:
1972-50c-With-Possible-Die-Gouges

One prominent, raised line (parallel to all other lines):
1972-50c-With-Possible-Die-Gouges

Rough surfaces with raised features interacting with the legend:
1972-50c-With-Possible-Die-Gouges

Marks trailing towards the coin's edge:
1972-50c-With-Possible-Die-Gouges
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10/07/2008 8:01 pm
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 Posted 10/07/2008  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm no expert, but they look a bit to me what we Aussies call Die Polish Lines. Parallel raised lines, often occur in multiples, but not always, fairly common.
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 Posted 10/07/2008  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Nancy! I'm simply surprised at the severity of these, and how this coin ended up in a RAM set.
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 Posted 10/08/2008  2:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As an update--further analysis leads me to believe these marks originated on a damaged planchet.
When I hear something conclusive, I'll post another update.
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 Posted 10/08/2008  11:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello,

Die polish is a possibility but unlikely as the marks clearly run into and across the legends. Typically die polish line stop at the legends or devices and restart again immediately opposite. The reason for this (if you think about it) is that the legends and devices are incuse on the dies, so a brush or polisher will not reach into the recesses but clean up the fields (which are the top surfaces on the die). Of course mechanical polishing of the devices and legends does occur (on proof coins for example).

I'd say it's a planchet flaw.

Mark
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Now that mark's explained why they can't be Die polish lines, and I agree with him, I'd also have to agree that it's the result of a faulty planchet.
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