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Grease Filled, Dateless Lincoln

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Too bad this coin was abused, I think it's pretty cool. Looks like the date was grease filled?

Grease-Filled,-Dateless-Lincoln

Grease-Filled,-Dateless-Lincoln

Grease-Filled,-Dateless-Lincoln
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 Posted 10/08/2008  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add flyagi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is there any date at all? I can't see any myself, Just curious as to what it might be and yes, too bad it was chewed up. Do you know any value amount to put on it...say if it was in good shape?
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Hey that was my 50th post ...................................................... now what




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 Posted 10/09/2008  07:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brefos77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Show a pic of the reverse and I can about guarantee that Chuck or Bill will pinpoint the date. They may be able to tell from the bow tie...
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1977-1981, and the reverse won't help.

And that coin is not grease filled. It's altered. The date was carved off of it. That's why the claw marks all over the coin and the discolored depression around the date area.
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OK, thanks Chuck!
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Not to question the knowledge on this forum but just wondering....Why would someone altering a coin such as removing the date, Be so destructive as in the way they remove it
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Good question, I don't know. I was thinking that the damage came after the date was gone if this is indeed post mint. When I look at it in-hand, I can see no sign of the mark being physically removed, the surface is smooth. The camera seems to bring out things you can't see in-hand, I found little details I've missed on my coins by examining pictures.

Donsn't really matter, Chuck forgot more than I know about Lincolns. I trust his judgement and this coin is worth about ......aaaaaaa....one cent damaged anyway. LOL
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Ahhhh...I came up with a theory! Somebody in a garage was using this as a fuse or something. Buddies were sitting around talking about nothing so he started messing with the coin. He decided rather than just mutilate it, he would grind the date off with a rotory tool and show it to his friends. Off it went into circulation for awhile so it retoned and came to me.

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It was probably a practice coin for something else. Cents are extremely cheap for practicing carving skills for hobo nickels, removing mintmarks, altering dates, etc. Nobody but the person who did it can answer for why it was done. The damage could have stopped a project, who knows?

All I can say for sure is that the date was removed from that coin after it left the mint.
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Not to worry...I don't question the knowledge from chuck. It's the curiosity that makes me ask the questions...it tends to give me more details so I can learn as I go .....As far as my knowledge goes.....I've done forgotten more than I'll ever know ! (think about that one)
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I will add that I agree completely with Chuck on this. The date area was "played" with. I also see what may have been a mintmark that was removed.

There is no way to know what was in the mind of the person perpetrating the abuse to the coin so anything is possible as far as a motive but this coin definitely had the date and perhaps mintmark removed after the coin left the Mint.

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 Posted 10/11/2008  10:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will add only that the removal was so complete as to render it impossible for me to judge whether there was a mintmark on this coin. If Bill sees it, that's great...but I would be unwilling to go that far with what I see. No biggie because the coin is worth face value anyway.

Another complete giveaway that the coin is altered is the rim outside where the date used to be. It is shallow and mis-shapen. This would not happen with a Grease Filled Die or any other mint-made dateless coin.

By the way, a couple of days ago I saw a Wheat cent that I wanted REALLY bad, and the collector was not a seller. It had all the lettering carved off the obverse, leaving only Lincoln's bust. The bust was changed into a pedestal style bust with a pointed front, and about half of the typical bust carved off in a convex curve. It was REALLY cool! I offered $20 and the collector passed. The piece in this post could - COULD - have been an early practice piece by the same artist.
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