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Is There A Name For This Type Of Error Or Is It An Error At All?

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I have a medal which is missing the gram weight where it is normally stamped into the proof medal. There is just a clean blank there... no signs of removal, tampering, etc.

In comparison, imagine a coin which is missing the date while the rest of the coin has been clearly struck to proof standards. As if the coin minter never designed the date into the die. What type of error would this be considered?

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Photos please.
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Without pictures of both sides, it is hard to comment on your question.
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Without pictures of your specific coin/medal, it is impossible to say whether it is an error or not. But we can speak in generalities.

A raised area on a coin or medal is created when a die has a depression or groove in it. For that depression to be "missing", it needs to be either filled in somehow, or never put there in the first place.

A "filled die" or "grease-filled die" can happen, usually on a very-large-mintage mass-production run, where "grease" fills in the depression on the die. It should perhaps be noted that this "grease" is high-temperature lubricant mixed with finely powdered metal; it is rock-hard at room temperature and won't "squirt out" from between the die and coin like regular grease would.

For the depressed area never to have been added in the first place, would be a deliberate design decision of the people making the die, especially for a very-large-mintage run as dies for such coins/medals are usually produced by making a reproduction of a master die, which should have all of the required details included. A mint that somehow "forgot" to include an important element of their coin/medal, such as the date of issue or the weight and fineness of the precious metal, would be a careless mint indeed. If it happened, I suppose one would call it an "error in design" - though since the "error" is deliberately placed on the die, and they presumably used that die to make more than one coin/medal, it would more properly be termed a "variety" rather than an "error".
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Hello

The area of where the gram weight SHOULD be, as in the silver-colored example for clarity purposes (is not my medal, just one grabbed off the internet), is right above the "N" in VENEZUELA, where the "GR." (30) weight is located. Immediately to the right of of this, and right below the area of the eagle's furthest right tail feather, is where the gram weight is engraved. In my example, there is just a big blank space instead. I have included an image of it the side of the medal which is of issue, before it went sent to grading. I might add that in the 3 years of researching this medal, I have yet to come across a 11.74 gram example, nor another example of the gram weight NOT engraved in this area...perhaps this ties into it?

I would like to add that I am no fan of Hitler in the slightest, he was a monster, but the folks at HA have written me that the medal was "historic". If the omission of the gram weight is in fact an error, I would have liked them to state it so. In any case, I plan to crossover this medal to PCGS and if it is an error for the label to say so. p.s. sorry about the upside-down image, I have fixed it in paint, but every time I post it, it still posts as upside down.


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Posted some photos. Anyone?
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If that is the only one struck as you stated in your earlier post and it was left off the master die probably because it only
weighs 11.74 g, not 30 then I don't think it would be classed as an error as that is the way the working die was made.
Also I don't think you could call it a Variety as it is a one off and is not different from any other medallion.
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