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ID Helping (Id: Mysia Kyzikos (Bc 410-400) Hemiobol And Potential Persian Daric)

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 Posted 10/18/2008  2:35 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add byzantine to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
hi all

i need helping again.
seated lion left and an amphora (in front of the lion).

other coin is very small a bull head and head of a man left.
(per square 5mm)

thanks.



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 Posted 10/19/2008  05:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add byzantine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
any body havent got an idea?
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 Posted 10/19/2008  08:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
#1 doesn't show a normal lion; it's got wings. It's either a griffin, or a sphinx, both winged lion-like beasts. The Griffin had a head of an eagle, the sphinx a human head. Unfortunately, this coin is too badly corroded for me to spot the difference.

Griffins were featured on the archaic coins of Abdera, in Thrace, and on the Greek island-state of Teos. The Sphinx is quite distinctively from Chios.

#2: the bulls head was common to many city-states throughout the ancient world. It's hard to know where to start looking.

I have to say, the bubbly, porous appearance of both these coins worries me. They've either been cleaned very harshly, or they're cast fakes.
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 Posted 10/19/2008  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add byzantine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks Sap
i found first one when you say sphinx.same one I thought it is a lion until your text . I saw bubbly and porous too, it is an amateur cleaning mistake already he said me I used lemon juice and sodium bicarbonat to clean the coins.

by the way I want to show one more coin. in my oppinion it isn't fake but I glad to hear your idea about this one


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 Posted 10/19/2008  6:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It certainly looks like a Persian gold daric - I assume it's gold-coloured, and not just some kind of strange lighting? The Persin gold daric and silver siglos had the same design, but different weights - a daric ought to weigh between 8.1 and 8.5 grams.

Is it genuine? I can't tell. The spiky crown is different to the more knobbly crowns on most of the examples I've seen (and I've never actually seen one in real life), but I don't know if that means anything. Even doing a gold test wouldn't necessarily prove anything - if it's genuine, it's going to be worth much more than it's gold content, so it's worth a counterfeiters while to use real gold.
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 Posted 10/21/2008  06:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add byzantine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yes it is gold and 8.34g if I dont remember wrong. I saw some spiky crown daric here

Thanks a lot Sap.

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 Posted 11/20/2008  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add byzantine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hi all
i found Second coin eventually. it is a Mysia Kyzikos (BC 410-400) Hemiobol.
same one here


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