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Hey everyone, Some of you may know by now that I have taken the last 2 months to focus mainly on the Canadian Small cents and I started writing a catalogue with all of my finds which will be available in the next few weeks, but I just couldn't wait to show you guys this one. If you like Canadian small cent Doubled Dies this is one that I can safely say should be on everyones radar as I found this in circulation and I know there must be a gem in MS/BU out there somewhere! This is the second one (best condition) I have found, I have found 2 so far, through my research these I personally don't think anyone even knows about as I cannot find any info on 1941 King George small cent DDO's anywhere. "GE" of "GEORGIVS"  "OR" of "GEORGIVS"  "GI" of "GEORGIVS"  "VS" of "GEORGIVS"  "VI" for "GEORGIVS VI"  "M" from "IMP"  ALL of the "E" letters of the Obverse look like this.  Close up of the "S" from "GEORGIVS"  Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) |
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Im sorry but I have to strongly disagree, theres no way Machine Doubling can produce these splits and notches. I know my pictures are not very clear as I took them in somewhat of a hurry, but just looking at these images of the "S" it is clearly not MD. I'm not an expert but I've seen more MD than I would like to admit, which I'm sure many of you have as well.   Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) |
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The splits and notches are due to MD on the pointed serifs, I think.
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02/20/2020 7:31 pm
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No MD here, what you are seeing is the spread of the second "S" behind the first one. Also note that most Canadian Small Cents actually have flatter devices compared to US Small Cents, for those who for some reason do not see it, here is a photo showing the Split Serifs.  Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) |
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MD wouldn't cause these splits, this is a doubled die.
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JohnWayne007 excellent work. take a close up picture of the denticles. post if you would not mind.
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Close up of denticles.  Not sure if everyone can see it clear enough but "HP" is also doubled.  Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) |
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Looks interesting I have lots of 41's I'll have to check, You know it would really be nice if you would include a photo of the full obverse and reverse when you post
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So is the S or the R the best marker for these? I have a whole tube of uncirculated 41s, so I am crossing my fingers when I go through it...
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Quote:through my research these I personally don't think anyone even knows about as I cannot find any info on 1941 King George small cent DDO's anywhere. Have you consulted the catalogues "Major Coin Varieties" and "Minor Coin Varieties" by Hans Zoell? I only have the supplement to the third edition (1968) ov "Minor Coin Varieties" which only contains additions to the previous. I don't know what is contained in the others. Jan |
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SPP-Ottawa, the best marker to go by would be the "S" in "GEORGIVS" as it almost always shows the splits and is usually fairly prominent, I have a second 1941 Doubled Die Obverse which only shows the splits in the "S" and faint splits in other places which I found when re-searching my 1941's to double check and make sure I didn't miss any more. So if you find one going through your uncirculated 41's I would definitely like to see photos for sure! The main 1941 DDO I found (which this post is about) also shows very prominent doubling on the "T" of "ET" Here are the markers I go by when looking through 1941's from now on.  I looked through the Charlton catalogues, researched online and looked through the Hans Zoell numbers available from Coins and Canada but nothing came up for the 1941 other than minor Reverse varieties. I do not have access to Hans Catalogues but if anyone comes across any info for this that would be great but I do not have my hopes up as I searched virtually everywhere for even a shred of information regarding Doubled Dies on the obverse of the 1941 and came up with nothing (one of the many reasons I am doing a catalogue). I will post full obverse and reverse photos today, along with my attempt of a "True View" image so everyone can see exactly what I see, It is a beautiful coin none the less. Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) |
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JohnWayne007 if you apply wexlers theory. you see what he has proved is that. the die that is involved with Machine Doubling. does not double one little piece or a few letter. it doubles the surface of the coin.so if one goes to the denticles. where you see doubling on letters or beads. see he tells you to check proximity markers if the whole surface is not. then it is caused by another source. second pressing or how the die was made. I have read his writing many many times. your coin doubling is caused by the makeup of the die that struck the coin. this is not Machine Doubling. okiecoiner has pushed this many many time on me. I am very glad that he did. because by studying wexler, I have learned I have an appreciation for his work.i thank you all for your helping me. if you want to read wexlers. read about proximity markers. the answers are right there. hope you all have a great one |
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Thank you for the reply rocky, I am on the wexlers website often when looking at Lincoln cents and that is where I made myself familiar with what MD really looks like compared to a Doubled Die. As requested here is a photo of the Obverse and Reverse of the coin.  My attempt at a true view will be coming soon with sharper images. Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) |
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john that is a incredible photo excellent. john I like how wexler explains the pivot point. when it comes to Machine Doubling. once you understand that. the rest easy have a good one. |
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