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1958 Lincoln Memorial Cent Rotation Errors

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How do you determine the level of rotation on a coin?


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the coin pictured isn't off enough to even mention as being a rotation error, I think the rule of thumb is atleast 20% off
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Thank you for the quick response. It is greatly appreciated. But how do you determine the percentage? Is there a chart that can be used?
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I found one coin I thought was rotated (about 70 degrees) and it turned out to be one of those Magician's coins. I don't have pictures because I don't have access to it right now.
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45-90 degrees
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Hi

I think Tigger is asking how to determine the rotation.
The rotation is determined in degrees. A coin naturally is round
so it is 360 deg. Just trace the outline of a circle or your coin
with a pencil. Find the center of the circle and draw a straight
vertical line from top to bottom thru the circle, Then draw
another straight line from left to right (I'm left handed:) or vice versa, horizontally through the circle. Now it looks like the crosshairs on a rifle scope. Mark the spots N,S,E,W, if you like, for the direction of the circle. The space between each line equals 90 degrees. You can then cut ea. space in half and now you have 8 spaces now which all are equal 45 degrees. Just like looking at a compass dial.
For all intents and purposes (unless a very rare or key date coin)
most coins would have to have at least 90 degree die axis rotation to be of any premium or value. 180 degrees would be the big one.
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the whole mirror thing threw me off I for a minute thought you had two coins there lol
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Thank you so much Indian1.
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Easiest thing to do is get some 2X2's one for each size coin. Draw a line from the center of each side across the hole to the center of the opposite side. Do the same thing from each corner to the opposite corner. This puts lines around the hole at 0, 45, 90, 135, 180, 225, 270, and 315 degrees. Put another mark by the hole half way between each of the original eight marks. You now have marks all the way around the hole each roughly 22 degrees apart. If you want you can put marks halfway between each of these as well and you will have marks every 11 degrees apart. Do the same thing to the other side of the 2X2. Then do the same thing to each size of 2X2.

Now whenever you want to determine th amount of rotation of a coin you select the proper size 2X2, place the coin in the 2X2 so that when you close it the top and bottom of the obv are lined up with one of the lines going from one side to the other. Holding it closed turn it over and you should be able to read pretty directly what the rotation is.

This gives you direct die rotation measuring devices for most any size coin at a cost of about 21 to 35 cents. If you lose or damage one you can make a new one for under a nickel.
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10/23/2008 6:45 pm
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Your Welcome

What Conder stated is a great idea.
That is how I started gauging the axis.
Just in case you were not familiar with a 2X2
It is those white square coin holders with a plastic (mylar)
center. They are referred to as coin flips or just flips.

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No a flip is different. A flip is the two pocket vinyl holders where you put the coin in one pocket and a 2X2 card in the other with the identification of the coin on it. They are called flips because you "flip" the coin back to see what is on the card, or you "flip" the card side out of the way to see the back of the coin.
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condor:
Excellent idea.
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