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 Posted 10/23/2008  12:17 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add DL20K to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Thanks for everyone who helped with Belgium coins, now it's time to move on.

- What's the difference between all the sub-types of Ukraine coins. I mean the 10, 25 and 50 k.
The number of dots seems to be it sometimes, but in other cases it's not.

So.. is it the thickness, reeding, presence/absence of mintmark, or what? Can anyone clarify it and write how to distinguish all these types?
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 Posted 10/24/2008  03:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't have any of these coins except a 10 kopiyok 1992, so I'm just reading and trying to translate from my 33rd ed. Krause. Here's my interpretation:

10 kopiyok
1.1a: 5 dots, brass
1.1b: 5 dots, al-bronze
1.2: 6 dots, brass

I wasn't even aware that there were varieties listed for these coins until I saw this thread. I've just taken my 10k out, and it's got 5 dots, so it's 1.1a.

25 kopiyok
2.1a: berries don't have little dots inside them, brass
2.1b: as above, but al-bronze
2.2: berries do have little dots inside them, brass

No, I don't know what these "dots" allegedly inside the berries of KM# 2.2 look like. I'd assume a small incuse hole, making the "berry" a fat o-shape.

50 kopiyok

I don't have one of these coins to see for myself, but I assume the edge has interrupted milling, like an Australian dollar coin or a 1 euro coin.

3.1: 5 dots, 16 grooves per reed section, brass
3.2: 4 dots, 7 grooves per reed section, brass
3.3a: 5 dots, x? grooves per reed section, brass
3.3b: as above, but al-bronze

I don't know the value of "x" in 3.3a and 3.3b above, but it's presumably not 16. Perhaps it even has a plain edge. Either that, or the "5 dots" in 3.1 is an error, and you only need to worry about counting grooves when there are 4 dots.

Now, brass and aluminium-bronze both look yellow-coloured, but in all cases, the dates for the different alloys don't overlap, so you determine which metal you've got just by looking at the date (unless you've got an XRF handy )
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Thank you!

Here are some photos, that might be of help.
The low grade coin is 1992, the slightly better one is 2006.

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The thing is that I haven't found any 'dots inside the dots' yet. Maybe it's that sometimes the dots look like dots, and sometimes like little circles (flat)? The letters seem thinner, too. What do you think?

And the edge:

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The ones in the pics are 50 kopiyoks; those won't have "dots in berries".

Both clearly have 5 dots, meaning the distinguishing feature is on the edge. The one on the left has 16 grooves in each section of reeding (3.1), the one on the right only 7 (3.3b). That means "x" in my above statement is 7, just like 3.2.
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