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United Kingdom 1777 Halfpenny?

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 Posted 03/15/2020  12:06 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Kotare to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi
Recently discovered in a tin of old UK penny's and half penny's was this very poor copper coin. The best I can make out is the date 1777?
It is slightly larger in diameter than the other younger half penny's in the tin and of course considerably smaller than the penny's.
Is it in fact a half penny from that era can someone confirm and post a pic so I can compare it.
It would be quite cool to know I possess something that was minted only a few years after New Zealand was mapped by James Cook.

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 Posted 03/15/2020  01:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a contemporary counterfeit (imitation) or evasion halfpenny of George III.

The date is "1771". Obverse legend is perhaps GREGORIVS III PON / reverse BRITAN RULES (which would be Atkins 341 in the catalogue) instead of the expected GEORGIVS III REX / BRITAN NIA

They were more often than not underweight and artificially struck in such a manner as to resemble very worn regal coins, but with impossible dates/garbled legends to avoid anti-counterfeiting laws.

These coins are collectible and interesting, and there are a very large number of varieties (Atkins listed almost 500; doubtless a hundred-odd more are known now and many haven't even been discovered or listed yet in Cobwright or other updated works.)

Oh, by the way

to CCF & thank you for sharing with us.

FYI -- Here is a "1730"-dated evasion halfpenny from my collection, done in the style of a genuine George II halfpenny. Catalogue: Atkins #156. Obverse reads GEORGE RULES / reverse reads BRITAINS ISLES. The letters "I.C" appear below the bust on this and several other issues, but no one has yet been able to figure out why; perhaps they were an engraver or die-sinker's initials or had some other meaning that has been lost to time.

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Fascinating. Many thanks for the information. Even if it's not the real deal the skulduggery makes it interesting!
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These evasion issues are in some cases worth as much as or more than Regal issues. Was there anything else neat in that old tin?
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Yes. Many NZ penny's and half penny's plus quite a few older UK coins from when they were legal tender in NZ. Several with young Victoria.
One florin which someone has butchered trying to clean up. Looks like they scraped it with a pocketknife! The date is in Latin MDCCCLIII?
And amongst all this was a single US penny from 1880.
I'll post a few more picks when I can get hold of a macro lens.
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1853 is one of the more common dates for the Gothic florins, of which I am quite a fan.
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