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Opinions On This Half Penny Please

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 Posted 11/01/2008  01:47 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This Half Penny has me a bit confused ? Is this a struck error or post mint ? if its post mint how does the corresponding area on the obverse fit into the damage with doubled denticles and how do the denticles on the more severe reverse area stay intact ?

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 Posted 11/01/2008  3:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not too sure what's happened, but it might have been a faulty planchet to begin with. My personal opinion is that it's more likely post mint damage, but I'm no expert.

RE the Obverse, don't forget Aussie coins are not like US coins & the corresponding area on the Obv is at about 11-12 o'clock & the denticles from BR to O do look a bit less well struck. Is there anything else there that would show up on another picture?

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 Posted 11/01/2008  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow...interesting! Definitely outside my experience on Australian coins, but at first glance I note how consistent the mint luster crosses the rim/denticles area in question, and the very clean transition from denticle detail to the dented region. My take is this happened during the strike somehow--unsure though. A real telling feature might be the rim, and whether any metal is pushed outside the circumference of the coin? If the damage happened post-mint, it would likely change the shape of the rim. If it happened during the strike, the collar would contain the spread--I believe. From your shots, I don't see evidence of a spread.

One more thought after re-reading NancyC's post, I note how there's rim weakness opposite the larger mark just below LF...P. That might suggest an incomplete/damaged/clipped planchet prior to strike--just a guess!
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11/01/2008 6:42 pm
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 Posted 11/01/2008  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could very well be a case of Blakesley effect, which would point to a damaged planchet.
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 Posted 11/01/2008  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What I noticed first was the diminishing size if the dentiles from very large at the bottom of the coin and going around to reach the weird area the dentiles get smaller and how normal the dentiles are inside the affected area .

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 Posted 11/01/2008  9:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
G'day,
quote: "Blakesley effect"
- huh ? ... not in CCF Glossary, nor Wikipedia, nor Renniks ...

aha ! Found it at http://www.triton.vg/clip.html

I confess that I was beginning to wonder if it might be a consequence of having a Queenslander as Prime Minister.

Peter
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 Posted 11/03/2008  2:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well I've never seen anything like that. I'm leaning toward faulty/damaged planchet rather than post mint damage. That sort of ding would have lead to deformation of the coin which I dont see. It should have lead to some damage of the obverse which I also dont see. I do see some weakness in the obverse opposite (which would happen because there would be 'give' in the metal because of the damage). All of this is only an opinion though, because as I said, never seen it before :)
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With respect to the denticles inside the 'damaged' area, are they on the same level as the denticles on the rest of the coin, or do they lean inwards towards the deepest damaged area? If they are leaning inwards, I have to go back to my original thought of post mint damage.

I did wonder for a little while if it may have been a Rim Burr, but it doesn't really have the correct characterisitcs for that.
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