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Franklin 1963 - D 50c RPM ?

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I've shot this MM from various angles and the perceived doubling seems to remain constant:


What would this be classified as and how would I determine its value since neither PCGS nor NGC have anything referring to it?


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Here's a close-up using some different color shades at distinct lighting angles. In person the doubling is more prominent at the bottom of the D towards the bell.


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Needs a bit better focus on the close-ups I think. Hard to identify the specific defect as is. Could we also get close-up of the RIB in E Pluribus Unum?
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This different light I found helped to clarify what appears to be at least three layers of the MM.

The other shot's purpose was to drill into the center's shape etc.

I hope these are now better to assist in figuring this one out.


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I forgot the RIB:


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Looking closer doesn't help. You need to see doubling with 10X, not 100X. If it isn't see with 10X, it is looking for something that isn't there. You are probably seeing die striation lines. (Lines created by die movement, which is not a doubled die, but Machine Doubling creating a distortion on the devices:
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On a RPM, the devices will be enlarged, not engraved on the devices.
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On a RPM, the devices will be enlarged, not engraved on the devices.


@coop

Then I'd assume that the RPM would 'never' have striation lines. Is that correct?

But there's one problem for me unless I am missing it from inexperience in interpreting these photos. Generally my photo equipment cannot drill down to obtain things like the required tiny granularity to catch these fine striation lines.

Are you saying that in this case my photos were good enough to show these lines since these photos are still pretty blurry?
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Anything is possible. With Machine Doubling you can have MD on the varieties as well. But basically the answer is no. Striation lines are on the sharp edge of metal. When it moves across a surface you will see the striation lines even on a knifes edge. Take a soft stick of butter and pull the edge across the butter and you will see the striation lines on the soft butter. It is even used to determine a knife in a crime, with the striation lines on the edge.
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Note on the enlarged image, you don't see striation lines as the metal didn't move from Machine Doubling. You see contoured edges on all sides. Machine Doubling removes the contour. So on this coin, the MD didn't cause the RPM, it was on the die.
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Truthfully, these additional pictures aren't very helpful. They are very out of focus. A super close-up picture that is blurry is still a blurry picture.
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