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1795 Free Flowing Dollar - Fake Or Real?

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Hello Folks

I am new to the community and have seen plenty of posts on the free flowing 1795 Dollar but was hoping to get opinions on the one I am holding. The coin is of the three leaf variety. I have brought the coin to a dealer and he was unable to confirm whether or not it was real. He said the silver content looked right but one side of the coin seems to have more silver then the other half. I guess he had some gadget that was able to tell him that, but I am not sure. The coin has been in my possession for about 30 years. The weight of the coin is about 26.69 grams. Thank you for all opinions.
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to CCF.
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Not sure on this one. The lack of scratches in the surface/protected areas screams fake to me.
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Was this type of coin counterfeited 30-40 years ago? It looks like it was cleaned. When I compare this coin to authentic coins online it seems to have all correct traits from what I can see, but then again I'm a rookie at this.
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B7, initial impression is it looks good, but the weight is disturbingly low. Spec weight on these was 26.96 grams and tolerances would have been tight >.1 grams off. I won't say for sure it is good, but I can't say it is bad either. And yes they were counterfeited 30 to 40 years ago, they were counterfeited 200 years ago for circulation and fakes made for collectors probably from the 1850's on.
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I checked my scale and it's off by maybe .02
Where could I send the coin to have it professionally looked at? How much does that cost? If it is real, how much could I expect to get for it if sold to a dealer or private? Thank you!
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I would appreciate any comments on how I can go about getting this authenticated. Thank you.
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.... to the CCF

What a great coin to exhibit upon entry to the CCF! My first coin, back in the mid 1950's was a 1795 $1 that my Dad found. It was a very worn three leaf variety.

I took the liberty of enlarging the pics of our OP's coin ....

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1795-Free-Flowing-Dollar---Fake-Or-Real?

I agree with Conder101 .... looks genuine. The facial scratches suggest to me that someone, a hundred or more years ago, wanted to see if the coin was silver plated. Sadly, this damage deflates the value of this otherwise most pleasing piece. Still, I think it's worth paying for certification.
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I think the "facial scratches" may possibly be adjustment marks.
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Adjustment Marks

Small, straight (never curved) striations or file marks found on early United States coins. Caused during planchet preparation (before striking) by drawing a file across the coins to remove excess metal so as to reduce the planchet to its proper weight. The result is a series of parallel grooves.

(Definition from the CCF Glossary)
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Adjustment Marks


You fellas may be correct, BUT, zooming in on the pics, I also see scratches cutting across the parallel marks,

Personally, I've never seen "adjustment marks" this deep and prominent.The few times I've had them pointed out to me, the lines have been much more shallow and less prominent; this, even on a higher grade coin.
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I appreciate all the feedback. While I do not know what the best process is for getting this authenticated, I plan on doing so. If this is coin is authentic is there a price that I might expect to sell this? Thank you.
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Value: http://www.numismedia.com/rarecoinp...&search7=any
If you get slabbed use PCGS
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Lol... OK if that coin is worth any of those prices I may have to throw a party. If at the off chance that a coin is worth say $50000, who would I sell something like that to? Would it be better to find an auction house? Thank you.
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OK if that coin is worth any of those prices I may have to throw a party


The link that John1 provided quotes mint state prices. Here's the link for circulated grade prices at the same website ....

http://www.numismedia.com/rarecoinp...proof=&plus=

IMHO, as a details graded F-15, possibly a tad higher, I'd estimate worth at about $2000-2500. Some auction companies, like Heritage, will attend to certification prior to offering a piece for bids.
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