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2001 P 25c Rockwell Planchet Hardness Test Error Suspect

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 Posted 05/06/2020  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Vindex to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you so much for weighing in. Your articles are a treasure. I appreciate your feedback and clarification of the withdrawal of the 1981S as a rockwell test error.
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 Posted 05/06/2020  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Rockwell Hardness test would be interesting to find but the indent on the OP's coin is much too large.
(Thanks for the link John1. Every time I read that article I get to remember how much I forgot!!)
In the article, the author Pete Apple, said
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The strike of the die will also adjust the diameter a bit (making it smaller)...

This statement made me wonder if the surface of the coin (where the test mark was widest from the testing tool) would be reduced in size more than the lower part of the indent.
Please see the diagram I made to illustrate my question.

Here's my question, after being struck by the die, would the top of the indent be smaller in relation to the lower part?

I hope someone here is able to add some insight. Thanks in advance. PP55

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 Posted 05/06/2020  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For the 1971-S cent, the pit is too distorted for its location, which is near the center of the coin where radial lines of stress all converge, cancelling each other out. Furthermore, the pattern of distortion is exactly the opposite of what one would expect given where it is in the design. It overlaps a pillar, and the metal flowing into those recesses should have flattened the ellipse in a north-south direction.
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 Posted 05/06/2020  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Vindex to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mike, you and coop are scary smart. The expertise you bring to the Coin World is exemplary. I wanted to post this coin mostly to bring out an intelligent discussion, evidenced by your comments and the one prior from petespockets55. I think that is what a forum should be about. So again - great appreciation to you and those who so thoughtfully post.
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 Posted 05/06/2020  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mike,
1)Do you think the test would create a pressure ridge around the indent on an unstruck planchet?
2)Do you think the "top" of the oval would be restricted in size, more so than the lower area of the indent? (or is this what you are referring to when you said "the radial lines of stress all converge, cancelling each other out."

Thanks again for your time and commitment to helping us understand.
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The hardness test could conceivably generate a pressure ridge around the pit, but this would be flattened by the strike. As to your second question, the farther away an indentation is from the coin's center, the more likely it is to be stretched out along the radial line it falls on (in this case a line leaning slightly to the right of the N-S axis). That said, I don't think there would be any differential stretching in a pit this small, with side farther away from the center being more stretched out. Again, the pit lies along a column, so any tendency toward stretching toward 12:15 (or thereabouts) would be counteracted by the metal flowing into the die's recesses and into the edges of the pit. Deformation would also be limited due to the fact that the coin was struck in-collar. Not much radial expansion in that circumstance. Sorry for the complicated explanation.
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Thanks Mike. I don't feel your explanation was complicated but very informative.

I wasn't sure how the strike pressures would come into play but now understand what you said about less metal flow towards the center of the coin.

I just thought that the top edge of the indent might affect the metal flow similar to a coin struck out of collar. By the metal flowing towards the center of the indent from all directions, with the metal closer to the surface (or different composition ie; Cu & Zn) moving slightly more than the lower layers.

I can't thank you enough for taking the time to help us understand this.
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 Posted 05/07/2020  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Mike...
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