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Suspected Counterfeit Spanish Colonial Coin (Id: Modern Repro Of Lima Mint 1740 8 Escudos)

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This thing appears to be a very poor rendition of a Spanish Colonial 8 reales. It is copper, undersized and underweight. It measures 28mm diameter, 1.8mm thick, 6.79 grams. The date is 1740, has slight doubling on the obverse, and a very abbreviated PLVS VLTRA motto. Hard to believe that this thing might have passed for an 8 reales piece even if it was plated in silver.
Anyone ever see something like this?
Thanks in advance.
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 Posted 05/23/2020  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's closer in weight and size to an 8 MARAVEDIS but I agree it looks off.
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Rare birds, those Colonial PILLAR & WAVES maravedis are!

The design is that of a Lima mint 1740 8 Escudos (the Lima and Potosi mint did use the Pillar style for silver cob reales also, but with somewhat different placements - date, etc.). While very crude, the piece is correct on the basic Lima gold design arrangement.

The 8 Esc. was a ~27 gram gold coin... While this piece has some age to it (and more character than the usual "1736" 8E copy that's been sold in tourist shops and salted onto beaches to mess w/metal detectorists for 50 years), it's certainly a modern tribute or imitation rather than any contemporary counterfeit of that period.

2nd time I've seen one... I didn't realize it was quite so undersized.
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