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Israeli Black-Blue Serials

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 Posted 06/07/2020  2:18 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add arianzo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
The Israel 50 Lirot P36 banknote has 2 varieties: Black and Blue serial .

I bought recently the P36b that is supposed to be the blue one but it seems to me it's black. I compared with the one I already had and that I had catalogued as P36a (black serial) and both look identical.

Anyone who has both or who have other Israeli banknotes can let me know if the blue and black are really noticiable or maybe the blue is very dark.

I want to know before I go back to the seller.

Thanks.


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 Posted 06/09/2020  08:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Angielczyk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
HI

I have just one and the number looks black or dark blue depending on how the light hits it.

Sorry I can't be of more help.
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Both of the photos posted are from http://banknote.ws/COLLECTION/count...0036.htm#36b So unless these are your notes it might help to post photos of the actual notes.

For a lot of countries that change happens sequentially. So the lower serial numbers are P36a Black and the higher serial numbers are P36b Blue.
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 Posted 06/09/2020  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ScotsGreyhound to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi arianzo, I have one of those Israeli notes, black serial.
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 Posted 06/10/2020  12:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arianzo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your answers.


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For a lot of countries that change happens sequentially. So the lower serial numbers are P36a Black and the higher serial numbers are P36b Blue.


I thought about that but I couldn't confirm that. The 2018 Standard Catalog of World Paper Money only refers to the serial number color.

This is the banknote I received, I am not very good taking pictures, always have a problem with the light


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And this is the actual listing: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Israel-50-L...51419846296?

It says Blue ..... but if you see the picture it looks to me black (it's not the actual as seller sell hundreds).

So ........
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 Posted 06/10/2020  05:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ScotsGreyhound to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the serial on your note is black.
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 Posted 06/10/2020  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add walk2dwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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it says Blue ..... but if you see the picture it looks to me black (it's not the actual as seller sell hundreds).


It looks "black" to me too. I really don't think you got the "Blue" version.

And the seller posts:
"The notes you will receive will have a different serial number, and in some cases you may receive different prefix or signatures."
At one time, I was really keen on picking up a 1978 Belgium 100 Francs (P-140a) & nearly all my searches turned up P-142 (1982-1994) listed as P-140. Several sellers were of the "BIN" ilk (priced like a P-140) who have the same warning as above. I email several & got mixed signals/dubious replies.
-so I now tend to avoid sellers with such caveats in their listings (b/c I have had the same problem as you- getting a note which is clearly different then the item description).
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 Posted 06/10/2020  6:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ShareBear to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
walk2dwater is very correct. If I am looking for a specific signature or Pick number I don't buy from sellers who cannot confirm that the note I get is the one that I want. Many times the listing is incorrect with the wrong Pick number.

If you want to be sure ask them and if they cannot definitely tell you buy from someone else who can.

The note looks black to me. There are many instances for the Krause Catalog is just wrong. It took me forever to complete Singapore P23 because the sellers were using the Krause Catalog to identify their notes and 80% of them mixed up P23b and P23c. P26b as listing the catalog does not exist.

http://banknote.ws/COLLECTION/count.../SIN0023.htm
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One of the problems is that these sellers rely on you to figure out: that the expense of shipping the incorrectly described note (item) back to them is not worth the aggravation/nor cost (in fact- you will lose $ most often - if you demand a return/refund in most cases). I have several batches of misidentified banknotes which I have just written off- as "lesson learned" since such sellers are extremely unreliable. I have even gotten into the habit of asking these same sellers for clarification/& or full disclosure but have since just labelled them as completely untrustworthy.
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 Posted 06/13/2020  1:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arianzo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your answers are very interesting.

However I think there is a difference in the 2 scenarios.

If I want to buy a "normal Banknote", I mean a popular one not a very expensive or a rare note, it is normal that a big dealer is selling hundreds of it. So you are always going to read that" The notes you will receive will have a different serial number, and in some cases you may receive different prefix or signatures unless otherwise specified".

If I am looking for a specific serial number (letter) or something very unique, of course I have to ask first or to not buy, but if this seller has 2 different listings, one for the blue serial number and other for the black serial number I don't see the problem with that. I want the blue serial number (a specific pick number), but I don't care the numbers itself.

Here are the 2 listings:
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Israel-50-L...151419846296 (blue)
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Israel-50-L...164130171310 (black)
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 Posted 06/13/2020  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arianzo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wrote the seller and this is the answer:

"Regarding the 50 Lirot, it is a well known confusion, the Blue ink of the serial number is very dark blue, if you will put it next to the note you have with the Black serial number, and compare between the two serial numbers, you will be able to see the difference.
It looks like black but it's actually very dark blue.
(The 10 Lirot 1968 has a lighter version of blue ink, however the 50 Lirot was printed with a much darker blue)
If you would anyway like to return this note, you can gladly do so, I will accept it and refund your payment.
Please inform what you decided, I will do as you wish.
Wishing you and your family all the best, hoping and praying that we should all go through this difficult time fast and in good health.
Best regards"

So, it could be that the one I already had is in fact blue and that's why I don't see the difference ....
I am tempting to buy the black version he has to see it there is really a difference ....
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 Posted 06/16/2020  08:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add walk2dwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If you would anyway like to return this note, you can gladly do so, I will accept it and refund your payment.
Please inform what you decided, I will do as you wish.

- Great to hear you got that straightened out "arianzo." I bought from that seller & had no problems either so good to hear.
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 Posted 06/25/2020  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your note looks like it is dark blue to me.
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