German States Thaler. Am I Incredibly Lucky Or Fakes ?

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JBL Valued Member United Kingdom 289 Posts	Posted 06/18/2020 12:12 pm Picked these two up recently. They look to be ... https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces47245.html date 1609, weight 22.8g dia' approx 40mm and ... https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces47247.html date 1605, weight 14.4g dia' approx 35mm so the question is, have I been very lucky and found something good and genuine or are they fakes. Any opinions appreciated and I know it is difficult to be precise from just pictures but if obviously fakes then I am sure someone can tell me. They are not magnetic. Cheers Brian. Report this Post to the Staff

retiredkper Pillar of the Community United States 541 Posts	Posted 06/18/2020 4:04 pm Based on what I can see on the pictures this is not your lucky day. Just for the heck of it press the rim on a piece of white paper and see if you can draw a line with it. Report this Post to the Staff
David Graham Pillar of the Community Australia 1616 Posts	Posted 06/18/2020 4:25 pm There are some pretty big differences in the 1609 Thaler between your photo and the coin on Numista but then I'm not collecting early coins (yet) so am not sure how much variation occurs in early coins from this period and place. Will be interested to see the other responses to learn a bit more about early coins. Report this Post to the Staff
JBL Valued Member United Kingdom 289 Posts	Posted 06/18/2020 4:29 pm Thanks for replies. Answer to drawing a line is YES, both leave a line on paper so is that good or bad ? Cheers Brian. Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7966 Posts	Posted 06/18/2020 9:23 pm I do not know these types, but a quick search shows that the thaler is not correct. The weight is off by more than 20%, the details are off ... The second coin should be a half thaler based on size and weight (and not the thaler you have linked), and looks better at first glance. You can use coinarchives.com, or acsearch to check these. Edited by tdziemia 06/18/2020 9:26 pm Report this Post to the Staff
norantyki Valued Member 404 Posts	Posted 06/19/2020 01:06 am Both are definitely fakes - details, plachets and colour are all wrong. Report this Post to the Staff
JBL Valued Member United Kingdom 289 Posts	Posted 06/19/2020 03:52 am Good morning and thanks all. Comments and links much appreciated, always good to know what is real and what is not. Cheers Brian. Report this Post to the Staff
coinworldtv Pillar of the Community Austria 566 Posts	Posted 06/19/2020 04:30 am Definitely fake, possibly not even made of silver. Report this Post to the Staff
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