Cataloguing English/United Kingdom Coins

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coaster Pillar of the Community Australia 1365 Posts	Posted 07/10/2020 10:12 am Hi, I'm hoping that someone who is familiar with the Numista catologuing system may be able to help as I'm having difficulty sorting my Enlish/UK coins into some sort of logical order! The problem is that there are two classifications for 'Pound sterling (1158-1970)', one under England and another under United Kingdom. If you scroll through England you find that on Page 59 that the same coins are listed that are listed under the United Kingdom ... so do I catalogue these coins under England or United Kingdom e.g. 1886 Victoria Farthing? Also I gather that I would list a 1700 William III Farthing under England as it doesn't show up under United Kingdom? I hope this is clear enough for someone to advise me. I guess what I'm wanting is to know is when do you label a coin as United Kingdom rather than England? Is it by year or maybe a particular monarch? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Report this Post to the Staff

PaddyB Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 945 Posts	Posted 07/10/2020 10:39 am I would suggest Numista is being a bit woolly with their categories. Prior to the Act of Union in 1707 England and Scotland were two separate countries, although with the same monarch after James I. So Coins pre-1707 should be listed as England or Scotland appropriately. After that coinage was issued jointly for the United Kingdom, which until Irish Independence, included Ireland. (Wales has not had separate coinage for much longer.) So post 1707, United Kingdom is correct. Most of the World probably doesn't realise the distinctions, which is why Numista can get away with their vagueness. Report this Post to the Staff
coaster Pillar of the Community Australia 1365 Posts	Posted 07/10/2020 5:43 pm A big thanks PaddyB for providing clarity on this for me! Report this Post to the Staff
Safaga Valued Member United States 191 Posts	Posted 07/10/2020 6:41 pm On the other hand, Krause and Mishler in their World Coins catalogs start out in their 17th-century catalog (1601-1700) using a country designation of "Great Britain." But I note this same 17th-century catalog also has separate entries for Scotland and Ireland. I note the country index does not even include the word "England." Report this Post to the Staff
PaddyB Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 945 Posts	Posted 07/11/2020 11:24 am Which again is an inaccurate approximation. "Great Britain" actually only existed as an official Sovereign State from 1707 to 1801. Prior to that there was England and Scotland as separate countries. After 1801, with Act of Union, it became the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland". When the bulk of the island of Ireland gained independence in 1922, it became the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". With some of the Scots pushing for independence, this may change again in the future. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingd...reat_Britain and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite..._and_Ireland for more information. Report this Post to the Staff
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