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1921 Morgan Where's The VAM?

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 Posted 07/25/2020  07:45 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Stephen-P to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey guys.
At the LL, are those die chips or early stages of pitting? And even with all the diagnostics, I'm having trouble finding the VAM.

Here's some key points:

-Die crack from the last U in Pluribus to the bottom of the Phrygian Cap.
-Scribblings stretching up from the arrows inside the bottom tail feathers and horizontally across the medium tail feathers.
-Clash on the reverse of the Phrygian Cap is way to the left of where it's usually found.
-Above the clash, die-break from the S in trust, across the wing and to the wreath's top,
-Die Break at the tip of same wing.
-Fairly large (die chips?) at the "LL" of DOLLAR.


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 Posted 07/25/2020  08:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To me they don't look like die chips.
They look like they were from rust spots on the die.
And with all those die cracks you can't ID the VAM?
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 Posted 07/25/2020  09:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So you think it's a pitted reverse. That makes sense cause it looks like there's beginning stages of pitting around the wreath/arrows as well.

Can't find the VAM. Maybe I missed it twice. Seems hard to miss with the die cracks etc. and the clash on the reverse that's so far left it's touching the wing.
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 Posted 07/25/2020  09:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JasonKflo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have seen this one on VAM world but can not place it unfortunately there are a crazy number of 1921 vams , I would just spend some time going through them and get back . I am curious
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 Posted 07/25/2020  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 07/25/2020  11:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A later die stage of VAM-14A1 that isn't recorded in vamworld yet.
It has the displaced field break wing tip, but also a die crack through the upper-center part of said wing, as well as a crack through the cap on the obverse and additional cracking elsewhere.
I have some issue with their assessment that the thick line through the first "L" in DOLLAR is a die break and that the chatter around the second "L" are die chips however..
The chatter is more prevalent on this specimen, so why would the number of die chips increase if the supposed die gouge looks the same?
I think Kanga was right in assuming it to be pitting because there appears to be more starting at the wreath above "LL" as well as between the arrow feathers and tail feathers on this particular piece. But I could be wrong.
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 Posted 07/25/2020  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am impressed by the photo quality
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 Posted 07/26/2020  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks John!
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 Posted 07/26/2020  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also, for this coin and for future reference, how does one go about submitting new VAMs or later die stages etc. to the 'authorities'?
I usually see next to the VAM "discovered by blahblahblah"
Can it be done through coincommunity?
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