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1880-S Morgan DMPL Cameo VAM11

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would I get a better grade if I sent it to PCGS---thanks
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It looks like a 63 to me but not sure if I'm missing anything in the pics . Looks. Cameo to me as well
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Unless the pics are hiding something it does look better than a 61. Should get a 62 minimum, maybe 63
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 Posted 08/18/2020  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathMan27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a MS-63 to me based on the pictures.
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 Posted 08/19/2020  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ham1947 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree. These pics reward this coin at least MS63 DMPL
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PCGS is tough on common date morgans but I think it comes back better than 61. unless we are missing something based on these photos it should be around MS63
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 Posted 08/19/2020  11:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A 61? Seriously? Does it have any friends that would like to find a new home?

The obverse has a few minor knocks: a scratch through the cotton leaves and cap, a minor divot beneath the hair curls, and a scratch in the hair above the ear. These are consistent with MS-64/64+. The minor, but persistent, chatter in the fields has to be what led ANACS to call it a 61.

The reverse has one noticeable knock, a gouge on the second right wreath cluster. By itself, this is consistent with MS-65. The chatter in the field between the right wreath and AMERICA and the rubs beneath the eagle's right wing (our visual left) must be the reason for the 61.

It's all about how PCGS/NGC sees the chatter and the reverse rub. There isn't any way those factors detail the coin or drop grade the coin 3-3.5 points.

Here are the questions to kick around before cracking the slab and resubmitting:
How sure are you that the coin makes DMPL on resubmission? It's hard to evaluate that from the pics, but you have the coin in hand. PCGS requires complete 6" reflectivity on the obverse and reverse for a DMPL designation. (I'm not concerned about the Cameo designation.)
Look at the rub on the reverse through a 10x loupe. Is there evidence of surface scratching? Or is the rub largely superficial?
Look at the field chatter through the 10x. Is there evident pitting, or is that merely a surface disruption?
Is there any possibility that the disruption in luster in the hair above the ear is evidence of circulation? Is there any risk of this one coming back as a slider? (I don't see any corresponding disruption on the reverse.)
Is there a better shot with PCGS than NGC right now?
If the grade comes back MS-62, would you have a decent shot at a CAC sticker?

If these questions don't cause you any concern, what's to lose by resubmitting it? Purely on a technical grade, I think it is MS-64, with a possible 0.5 drop for eye appeal because of the reverse rub and the obverse and reverse field chatter. IMHO, that should net it to MS-63+, with a probable DMPL designation. If the questions do make you pause, leave it in the ANACS slab. On a bourse floor, it would trade well over 61. Any buyer would see what we are seeing, and price it accordingly.

Just some thoughts. Great coin!
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I don't like that area on the reverse left of the Eagle's wing on the photo. Looks like someone wiped it to get rid of a spot. Other than that, it's lovely. So either UNC details or low MS unfortunately. I think ANACS got it right. Would be 65 without that.
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I think they were hard on it because of the rub marks in the field below the wing. I could still see this in a MS-63DMPL holder.
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