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please give it your best shot to grade this 1870 Canada 50 cent coin thank you  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I'll take a stab at VG details (cleaned).
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Vg maybe an F under different lighting. I don't think there is enough hair left for a VF.
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F details cleaned.
PCGS probably straight graded it at VF-20
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vg10 no lcw unsure on old cleaning
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 VG-10, no LCW, cleaned |
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Not a good average
ONLY 2 out of 6 noticed the NLCW.
NGC graded it a G6
Personally, I think it is a bit better
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I think the grade is fair given that the coin looks heavily cleaned. Quote:
. ONLY 2 out of 6 noticed the NLCW. I noticed it, but didn't bother mentioning it because I assumed you already knew. Edited by Numis-Northerner
08/22/2020 6:23 pm
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Same here. Also think G-06 is just dead wrong.
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Well Nickels guy, Northerner and Numis... and of course others. Yes, I knew. Your comments are much appreciated. However, some others most likely had no idea because many others do not have the knowledge you have.. as for a TPG note about "cleaned", with this and other coins,: do you all seriously think that a coin struck in 1870 has NOT been cleaned in any kind of way in 150 years?Lets be realistic here and interpret the meaning of "cleaned". perhaps it is only a way for a TPG to make "some kind of required comment?". although there is NO real evidence besides the coin showing use over 150 years? HOW will they proof (what we already know) "cleaned" ? Have you ever seen a comment by a TPG like: NOT cleaned"? oh yes, it is only their "professional" opinion... I rest my case, in favor of common sense... Edited by 47P7
08/23/2020 12:19 am
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Does the NGC grade actually say "no lcw"? It's tough based on these photos and wear, but it looks like there is the bottom half of a "w" in about the right spot.
I do think there are lots of coins from 1870 era that have not been cleaned, you see plenty of examples on this forum. This one in particular, not sure on cleaning, would need better photos and probably need to be seen in hand. At the very least it looks to have been dipped. Those smokey black toned coins are always prime targets for cleaned coins, as some people don't like the color and want to wipe it off. It does have that nice rich brown/yellow patina look based on photos.
I would agree it is probably under graded, unless there are things we can't with these photos. The eyes, detail left in hair are too strong for a 6.
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.do you all seriously think that a coin struck in 1870 has NOT been cleaned in any kind of way in 150 years? With all due respect, I have always disliked this argument. Yes most circulated coins from that time period have been cleaned or mishandled to some degree, how ever I only see this argument when it comes to obviously cleaned coins that straight graded. Not to mention I have many coins, some much older than this that show NO sign of cleaning. I hope this doesn't come across as me belittling your coin, because I'm not. You asked for our opinions and that's what I gave. Regardless of grade it's still a very nice piece, to see lower grade coins with fully legible dates is always a plus. Also in regards to my agreeing with the G-6 grade, I agree with it as a net grade, this coins details are far better than a G, or even VG for that matter, but if it were to grade a fine I personally couldn't justify a numerical grade. |
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Does the NGC grade actually say "no lcw"? It's tough based on these photos and wear, but it looks like there is the bottom half of a "w" in about the right spot. There is no clover leaf in the top left of the crown/tiara, therefore it is a 'no lcw'. |
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Good to know on the clover, thanks. This will make looking for no LCM much, much easier.
Edited by purelywasted
08/24/2020 6:34 pm
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Yup, even on a super worn coin (mine is graded G-4) it's pretty easy to spot the missing clover leaf...
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Posted 08/20/2020 1:46 pm
